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Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by api »

mandolingual wrote: post #357
thegrim33 wrote: post #188

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It's so interesting to me that the whole "futurism" concept got co-opted into some sort of political propaganda machine. All the articles are negative hit pieces, they're all reductive, they're almost all political in nature. I used to go on the futurism subreddit years ago and it's all the same there. You'd think "futurism" would be about .. promoting new technology, ushering in the future, you know .. futurism. Not…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto_of_Futurism It's always been political

That’s Italian futurism, which was a specific movement. I think the term was being used more broadly here.

Go find some Soviet space art, or mid century American “space age” stuff, or less dark forms of cyberpunk / cyber culture from the 80s and 90s. None of that is fascist yet all of it is popularly called “futurism.” I’ve even seen the term associated with solarpunk.

As popularly used it means more or less the idea of trying to use human intellect to build or create something fundamentally new, or roughly that. It’s not a precise term more of a vibe.

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by calldacopsidgaf »

wonderwonder wrote: post #330

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"Elon Musk has promised to send humans to Mars at least eight times since 2016. Every single deadline has passed without a launch."

you know what they say about "fool me twice" right? Add six more "fool me"s and we're now at your position.

https://tesorb.com/spacex-mars-timeline-accountability-misse...

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by vlovich123 »

Noaidi wrote: post #302
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #48

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You're being down-voted (and so shall I) but I think you're right. Despite all the animosity towards him, Musk is doing things that are economically meaningful for our nation. We'll need a few more of "him" to dig us out of this situation I reckon, but overall I still hope it's possible. (Anyone asking antagonistic questions can go ahead and save their fingers, I won't respond to the petty comments.)

There is a reason Musk is so rich. He got most of his funding from taxpayers: https://www.moneytalksnews.com/slideshows/billion-and-counti... It is not him, SpaceX is a government funded project yet he keeps all the money. You should be outraged.

There's a lot to criticize, but this argument seems extremely misleading to me. The government wants to put things into space. SpaceX says "this is how much we're willing to take to do so" and bids on the government contract to do so. Notably, this is drastically cheaper launch pricing than the Space Shuttle and whatever other venues NASA had. These weren't R&D grants which are more arguable.

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by nrmitchi »

yieldcrv wrote: post #299
nrmitchi wrote: post #148

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> voters cause election consensus, not spending This is potentially one of the most out of touch comments I've seen here in a while, and that's saying something.

that view doesn’t make it false

You are claiming (or pretending) that spend (ie, marketing spend) isn't one of, if not _the_, biggest factors in which of a set of options ends up being the winner?

In this case you don't get to try the options first. You made a decision based on what you've seen and heard.

And you think the advertising budget isn't the key thing?

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by modeless »

zzrrt wrote: post #329
modeless wrote: post #258

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People often cite Hyperloop but he explicitly said he wasn't going to build it himself. They often cite FSD but it is far from abandoned and is driving my car today. What other projects are you thinking of which are actually abandoned? The Tesla solar roof is the biggest one I can think of, I think it's fair to count it as abandoned. I guess the project to make building bricks out of Boring tunnel dirt didn't pan out…

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/888053175155949572 "Just received verbal govt approval for The Boring Company to build an underground NY-Phil-Balt-DC Hyperloop. NY-DC in 29 mins." (July 2017, years after saying he wouldn't build it himself.) Technically it's not a commitment to build, but any other leader in the market would be considered to have failed if they made such a statement and then quietly abandoned it.

Yeah under that post he also says "If you want this to happen fast, please let your local & federal elected representatives know" and "Still a lot of work needed to receive formal approval, but am optimistic that will occur rapidly". Not just "technically" not a commitment to build. Clearly dependent on other factors.

Go ahead and count it as "abandoned" if you want. He did talk about building a Hyperloop and is not currently pursuing it directly. But I think failing to win required government approval/funding is a bit different than capriciously giving up on an idea, and The Boring Company itself is far from abandoned. Very different from the solar roof which is unambiguously a commercial failure.

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by s1artibartfast »

kurthr wrote: post #197
s1artibartfast wrote: post #145

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While workers are rarely paid up front, two week pay interval is pretty common

Contractors are commonly net30/net60/net90 or paid on completion and inspection of work done. This isn't a union job with biweekly paychecks.

You think SpaceX is shopping out their infrastructure to individual contractors?

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by s1artibartfast »

bix6 wrote: post #238
fastball wrote: post #191

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hundreds of millions unpaid and zero investigative journalism to try to get at the truth, besides "liens filed therefore Elon Musk is a cheapskate".

So you think multiple contractors in multiple states are just filing liens for fun?

Anything at scale will have payment disputes. Did the work happen, was it for contract, did it run over? These types of questions are extremely common

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by WalterBright »

mbgerring wrote: post #338
WalterBright wrote: post #297

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I did a word search on that article (it's impossible to read with its idiotic presentation), and "musk" is not mentioned.

Are you being serious? Are you actually not aware that Elon Musk ran the federal government department tasked with cancelling federal grants and firing government employees in 2025? How is it possible that you are not aware of this?

Present some evidence that he cut NSF spending.
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