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Bomb fishing is wreaking havoc on Indonesia's coral reefs

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Re: Bomb fishing is wreaking havoc on Indonesia's coral reefs

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Those are nothing but excuses. Destroying habitats and the future of fellow fishermen for short-term gain is just selfishness and greed. Desperation is no excuse.

Say that again when your children are starving.

Sell the bombs and buy food with the money?

If you have money for buying bombs, you have money for a fishing rod to feed your children for the entire year.

Re: Bomb fishing is wreaking havoc on Indonesia's coral reefs

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Is it just a matter of incentives by the government in indonesia? Like is it that bomb fishing in indonesia is incentivized because of, for example, profit margins in fishing vs say tourism? I know you mentioned Indonesia never got the yellow card it should have and that certainly creates less incentives for them to straighten their act. But I am trying to understand if the government is still largely to blame or not…

> But I am trying to understand if the government is still largely to blame or not? all blast fishing is a failure of governance so I'd say yes but the fishing cultures here in SEA are so different from anywhere else in the world so it's very hard to govern without strong central body. Lots of cultural, religious, poverty and spiritual stuff mixed into all of that which really complicates things. IMO Thailand has a m…

While it's hard to regulate fishing when your country is made up of endless islands, it's quite easy to regulate dynamite. So no, I don't think the number of islands is an excuse.

In Fiji, for example, no fisherman could get dynamite if they wanted it. The only way to get that is if you run a (very heavily regulated) mine, or a quarry, and you'd have to account for every blast.

Re: Bomb fishing is wreaking havoc on Indonesia's coral reefs

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I'm a scuba diver here in Thailand and you can still see blast fishing damage from decades ago that never fully recovered. It's truly as terrible as the article makes it out to be. What is interesting is that both Indonesia and Thailand have strong and similar anti blast fishing laws since early 00s that charge 5+ years of prison time. However, Thailand has been much more successful with taming blast fishing which is…

Is it just a matter of incentives by the government in indonesia? Like is it that bomb fishing in indonesia is incentivized because of, for example, profit margins in fishing vs say tourism? I know you mentioned Indonesia never got the yellow card it should have and that certainly creates less incentives for them to straighten their act. But I am trying to understand if the government is still largely to blame or not…

Indonesia gets a free pass for an ongoing genocide, so it's not surprising nobody cares about them breaking coral.

Re: Bomb fishing is wreaking havoc on Indonesia's coral reefs

#135

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> But I am trying to understand if the government is still largely to blame or not? all blast fishing is a failure of governance so I'd say yes but the fishing cultures here in SEA are so different from anywhere else in the world so it's very hard to govern without strong central body. Lots of cultural, religious, poverty and spiritual stuff mixed into all of that which really complicates things. IMO Thailand has a m…

While it's hard to regulate fishing when your country is made up of endless islands, it's quite easy to regulate dynamite. So no, I don't think the number of islands is an excuse. In Fiji, for example, no fisherman could get dynamite if they wanted it. The only way to get that is if you run a (very heavily regulated) mine, or a quarry, and you'd have to account for every blast.

Does it have to be dynamite or are other, improvised explosives possible?

Re: Bomb fishing is wreaking havoc on Indonesia's coral reefs

#136

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I love the American measurement units. How many bald eagles of explosives are needed to destroy three football fields worth of reef?

four to five Big Mac's worth. advanced question for the college types: how many if you supersize it?

Which supersize, with shrinkflation applied or illegal in NY?

Re: Bomb fishing is wreaking havoc on Indonesia's coral reefs

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post #70

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Is it just a matter of incentives by the government in indonesia? Like is it that bomb fishing in indonesia is incentivized because of, for example, profit margins in fishing vs say tourism? I know you mentioned Indonesia never got the yellow card it should have and that certainly creates less incentives for them to straighten their act. But I am trying to understand if the government is still largely to blame or not…

Indonesia gets a free pass for an ongoing genocide, so it's not surprising nobody cares about them breaking coral.

Care to explain for those of us unaware?

Re: Bomb fishing is wreaking havoc on Indonesia's coral reefs

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post #130

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The quote you're referring to came from the study's lead author, a Brit. Presumably he was referring to soccer (which everyone else calls "football"). Furthermore, a soccer field and an American football field are reasonably close in area, so it gets the point across in any case. However, I will now refer to explosives exclusively in units of Bald Eagles when referring to their mass, and "star spangles" when referrin…

Don't Brits usually call it a football pitch?

Brits actually originally called it soccer. They changed to football at some point a while back. Maybe he's doing a super-throwback?

Re: Bomb fishing is wreaking havoc on Indonesia's coral reefs

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> But I am trying to understand if the government is still largely to blame or not? all blast fishing is a failure of governance so I'd say yes but the fishing cultures here in SEA are so different from anywhere else in the world so it's very hard to govern without strong central body. Lots of cultural, religious, poverty and spiritual stuff mixed into all of that which really complicates things. IMO Thailand has a m…

While it's hard to regulate fishing when your country is made up of endless islands, it's quite easy to regulate dynamite. So no, I don't think the number of islands is an excuse. In Fiji, for example, no fisherman could get dynamite if they wanted it. The only way to get that is if you run a (very heavily regulated) mine, or a quarry, and you'd have to account for every blast.

The fishermen don't use regular dynamite. They make their own with easily available agricultural and mining chemicals, which are impossible to ban on the island without other worse effects.
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