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Re: How much of HN is AI?

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And what is justifying such belief?

Extrapolation of the extreme AI progress we have seen in the last few years.

We haven't seen any significant progress at all, much less extreme progress. You still can't use these stupid slop buckets for actual useful work, despite the massive amounts of resources being wasted on them.

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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I would say, AI is probably the biggest thing to happen in tech, full stop. I would say, the transistor was probably the biggest thing to happen in tech, full stop.

I think you will change your mind when AI will become smarter than any human.

Even if that happens, it depends on the transistor, and thus is less big of an innovation than the transistor.

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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This is categorizing with a pretty broad brush, it seems. I took a look at a random day, and the articles that are claimed to be AI are Waymo publishing a model for self driving cars and a post about scams in Apple News ads. Sure, Waymo’s model is AI and the scams in Apple News are often AI generated, but this isn't some sort of monoculture of LLM articles. Ironically, this article could have been improved by using a…

You took a look at 5 posts made on one single day and then categorized all of the other days.. seems like you're good at categorizing with a broad brush yourself. Based on my experience as a pretty heavy HN consumer, I'm with the article author.

You took all of one comment to categorize a person, and closed with your subjective experience.

Based on my experience, this isn’t typically done for kind reasons.

But what do I know, I am but one dumb monkey pushing tokens through tubes to what claim to be other monkeys but might be nothing of the sort.

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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Counterpoint: what we call AI is really just more sophisticated statistical algorithms, and so all of the stories about using AI, making AI more efficient, and all of the vibe coded apps are really just the world coming to terms with a new computing paradigm. It’s what you’d expect on a computing-heavy forum.

Eventually it will stop being novel, at which point people will stop calling it “AI”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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I aint got none.

That's fine, but it would be helpful to see examples. People often make generic claims about astroturfing, bots, etc. that don't hold up in practice when we look at the data. Bots and genai comments also exist, of course, and are not allowed here ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated ).

> People often make generic claims about astroturfing, bots, etc. that don't hold up in practice when we look at the data.

I'd be very careful with believing the system that looks for bots and astroturfing works well enough to confidently say that. Some of the people, corporations and institutions interested in manipulating HN and its audience are quite capable.

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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post #157

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This makes no sense to me - what's the opposite of AI astroturfing? Why are people complaining about it? Ironically, your comment could easily be a failed comment from an astroturfing LLM tasked with criticising/disagreeing with people calling out LLMs. FWIW, I checked your profile, I don't really think you're an LLM. The internet is hard now - sorry :(

I’m indeed a fleshy human :) What I meant is that I’ve seen people complaining that the negativity towards AI on HN is manufactured and astroturfed. So we have people complaining on both ends of the debate. I would bet that the AI booster side is way more astroturfed, but I’m very likely biased (I see genAI as a horrible mistake for human societies)

> (I see genAI as a horrible mistake for human societies)

GenAI is amazing, how we use it is so far a horrible mistake.

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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Email in it's first five years barely extended beyond some research universities. And is it novel? Do you see email as somehow a difficult concept to imagine? Unix in it's first five years reworked the way operating systems performed. I'd agree it's pretty important, but I don't see how it fundamentally changed the way we perform work in multiple disciplines (in its first 5 years). Same for Linux, but even less so. W…

There's only a few months left for the core technologies of LLM, the transformer, to be a decade old (counting since the "Attention is all you need"). In a decade, we have gone from pure theory of computation (Turing paper in 1936) to the first general purpose computer (ENIAC in 1945). In 1971, the first email was sent over the network (ARPANET), by the early 1980s, we were looking at nationwide deployment of email s…

This is an entirely weird and bizarre conversation. The world today has network effects - specifically because of well, networking. It feels almost ridiculous comparing the impact of things like ENIAC to github because they aren't even in the same class. GIT and email (FYI, there is a predecessor to email in 1965 called MAIL) are specific implementations of systems that would have happened no matter what. GIT is awesome, email is kinda ok -- but that's beside the point.

> Forcefully. By a mixture of free offerings and bundling AI in every tools with no disable button. It's still not an essential tech like email or Linux is (not even essential at the level of GitHub).

We could survive without computers and the internet. We did it. I was there. We could go back. It's not essential. You've lived maybe 3 years with LLMs. No kidding they could disappear. As an old person, I have no idea why you think any other technology is any different. LLMs are new, that's the big difference as I said earlier.

> Forcefully.

So.... I hate mobile apps. I hate that TVs connect to the internet. I hate that we have cameras on every corner. I hate that we have cameras that watch us while driving.

Now, tell me about how this is different than all that.

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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I'm curious if anybody has tried to figure out roughly the % of bot comments? I keep seeing the "ai-talking cliches", but wonder if I'm crazy because people (or... other bots???) take it at face value.

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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also known as the good old days

Some weeks ago, a colleague laughed at me when I asked: "btw, do we use jQuery somewhere in our web app?" - he said, its no more a thing today. Is that true? (Im out of webdev for years)

I bet half the devs who say 'we don't use it', probably have it on their site and don't realize it.

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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I’m indeed a fleshy human :) What I meant is that I’ve seen people complaining that the negativity towards AI on HN is manufactured and astroturfed. So we have people complaining on both ends of the debate. I would bet that the AI booster side is way more astroturfed, but I’m very likely biased (I see genAI as a horrible mistake for human societies)

> (I see genAI as a horrible mistake for human societies) GenAI is amazing, how we use it is so far a horrible mistake.

It’s technically very interesting and fascinating, but the incentives are horrible
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