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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by websap »

alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

Mac OS has been hands down one of the best OS that I’ve used in a long long time. What problems are you running into?

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by omgwtfbyobbq »

abroszka33 wrote: post #553
dcow wrote: post #533

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Can you characterize the deterioration more specifically? I only ask because every time I run this exercise for myself I end up back on macOS, despite any hiccups.

Not OP, but I have been using an M1 pro Mac Book since release. It's not sluggish in any way whatsoever.

I have an M5 pro at work, and certain things are a smidge faster than my personal M1 Max, but they're pretty close overall.

Given how much more you can get buying used versus new, I'd go used unless there's some feature/characteristic only the new hardware has.

Having said that, I could see stuff slowing down over time with OS updates/etc. I've had my M1 air for a while, and some UI stuff was slower after specific updates (I think glass in particular).

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by echoangle »

mathisfun123 wrote: post #392
GoofGarage wrote: post #332

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I looked at multiple configurations, and mathed it out. With leasing, you pay ~75% of the capital cost (excl. tax) over 3 years, but end up with no asset. Apple computers tend to have excellent resale value, and Mac Minis/Studios have the least depreciation of them all. I understand the benefits to both taxes and cash flow, but boy is Apple winning big on those lease offers for Studios.

> but end up with no asset consumer electronics has literally never been an asset. > Apple computers tend to have excellent resale value do you think the new leasing category might change that? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1vxzg6v/apple_i...

Trade in value isn’t the market resell value though, you’re losing money for the convenience of having a trusted and easy buyer.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by sinpif »

SilverSlash wrote: post #25

The 512GB Ultra is amazing, sure. But who is it for exactly? VC funded big spender founders? In that case why would they need local AI? The ultra rich enthusiast? But there can't be too many of those. So who actually buys these?

John Siracusa, for sure. He's not getting an EV. He's getting this.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by soulofmischief »

websap wrote: post #591
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

Mac OS has been hands down one of the best OS that I’ve used in a long long time. What problems are you running into?

I wouldn't even know where to begin, because the slide in quality has permeated every aspect of the operating system, from stability to design. Numerous networking bugs, SSH agent bugs, sleep state bugs, sometimes having to restart my machine because the network screws up so badly, Bluetooth issues that they keep introducing and then not fixing; I have peripherals that just no longer work due to this. I could go on and on. I could talk about the mobilization of a desktop interface (same mistake the Unity and GNOME teams made)

And I don't feel like beating a very dead horse, so just google "macOS Tahoe design issues" and take your pick.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by foxyv »

alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

I have never owned an Apple product that didn't slowly get worse over time. After a couple iPads and MacBooks, I'm almost certain they are intentionally updating their operating system to slow down older products. Even worse is the removal of access to certain applications for older hardware in the name of security or compatibility.

Meanwhile my Linux laptop continues to get faster every year as the operating system improves with performance updates and bugfixes.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by bee_rider »

nodamage wrote: post #491
shuwix wrote: post #373

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Actually, Microsoft came with "modern" smart phone much sooner. Actually too soon, technology wasn't there (price, computing power, size, weight, battery life). Apple never came first ... but often just at the right moment and had marketing skills to make it a new trend.

> technology wasn’t there Until Apple developed it. Those early iPhones employed a lot of tricks to squeeze usability, battery life, and performance out of underpowered devices. Prior smartphone attempts mostly applied PC-centric concepts to the device, it’s no surprise they ended up failing.

BlackBerry didn’t seem to port too many PC-centric concepts. Felt like a step too far in the opposite direction actually, too PDA-ish.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by thiht »

greenowl wrote: post #581
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

Still rocking an M1 Air - 2020 build. 8GB ram. No slowdown or deterioration at all. Battery health reports the battery max capacity at 84%. Best computer I've ever owned, by far.

Same here, the thing is a beast

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by dajonker »

abroszka33 wrote: post #553
dcow wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you characterize the deterioration more specifically? I only ask because every time I run this exercise for myself I end up back on macOS, despite any hiccups.

Not OP, but I have been using an M1 pro Mac Book since release. It's not sluggish in any way whatsoever.

Same, although my M1 pro has only 16 GB of RAM and that does seem to slow it down a bit with my current usage. I recently bought a used Mac Studio M2 Max with 64 GB RAM and it's much faster, both subjectively and objectively by looking at how long it takes to run the full test suite of the Rails app I'm working on.
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