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Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by api »

thegrim33 wrote: post #188
utopiah wrote: post #108

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Hmmm is it though? Quite a few articles like https://futurism.com/future-society/elon-musk-stiffing-contr... make me think they better ask to be paid upfront.

It's so interesting to me that the whole "futurism" concept got co-opted into some sort of political propaganda machine. All the articles are negative hit pieces, they're all reductive, they're almost all political in nature. I used to go on the futurism subreddit years ago and it's all the same there. You'd think "futurism" would be about .. promoting new technology, ushering in the future, you know .. futurism. Not…

That’s just a microcosm of everything. The culture war ate the entire public discourse to the exclusion of practical concerns and even coherent ideas. It’s all vibes and tribalism and bashing the other tribes, while the tribes themselves become increasingly incoherent in terms of what (if anything) they really mean or stand for.

I just turned it all off, though it makes me fear for the future. Feels like the early stages of societal collapse.

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by root-parent »

utopiah wrote: post #108
chasd00 wrote: post #2

Man if this actually starts to happen it's a good time to be a welder, concrete worker, or any general contractor or tradesman in Louisiana. Coastal Louisiana is some of the poorest areas in the US even more so than the valley in Texas where Starbase Texas is located. Probably 10-20 years worth of solid work building out that site.

Hmmm is it though? Quite a few articles like https://futurism.com/future-society/elon-musk-stiffing-contr... make me think they better ask to be paid upfront.

Its well known X did not pay their huge AWS bill. I would ask for cash first...

Re: Starbase, LA

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jubilanti wrote: post #199
thegrim33 wrote: post #188

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It's so interesting to me that the whole "futurism" concept got co-opted into some sort of political propaganda machine. All the articles are negative hit pieces, they're all reductive, they're almost all political in nature. I used to go on the futurism subreddit years ago and it's all the same there. You'd think "futurism" would be about .. promoting new technology, ushering in the future, you know .. futurism. Not…

Futurism is a focus on the future. The future may be good or bad. Your desire to focus only on the upsides (for you) and not want to hear about the consequences, externalities, or dangers is one of the most "political" positions a technologist can have. Do you hate reading most science fiction? Because the ratio of dystopic to utopic scifi is pretty unbalanced.

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Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by elar_verole »

hparadiz wrote: post #167
fatal94 wrote: post #156

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This sums up my and many others timeline of his understanding of engineering diciplines: https://mastodon.social/@rodhilton/109572674700288958

Posts like this is why HN is made fun of now in circles where real engineering happens. In reality you would not be able to follow what he's talking about because it would be well over your head.

Just watching him play POE should show you he's not the genius you think he is

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by fastball »

dzonga wrote: post #184

Elon - great product guy - he has to let go of his scammy tendencies of overpromising stuff. just one launch base will transform the Louisiana economy.

Nth order effects are powerful things. A single person could change the trajectory of Louisiana in a meaningful way.

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by [deleted] »

thegrim33 wrote: post #196
aksss wrote: post #116

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Incremental domestic capital investment, good. The level of cynicism, shit-talking, and schadenfreude wish-casting in response to this is crazy. Start cheering on successes. Resist the deconstructionist mindset.

The doomerism has two primary sources: 1) Political - The ideology/party spreading the doomerism promotes that they're the ones that can "fix it", if only you vote for them. 2) Adversarial countries, primarily China - Using the internet to convince members of western civilization to hate their civilization, hate their economic system, hate their history, hate their compatriots, adopt a no motivation defeatist attitud…

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Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by thegrim33 »

mbgerring wrote: post #131
ericmay wrote: post #94

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Which situation did Elon Musk put us in to? Can you elaborate? When did this situation start? What happened? What did he personally do that put us in the situation?

He personally ran the department that eviscerated funding for basic scientific research in the United States

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Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by root_axis »

thegrim33 wrote: post #188
utopiah wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmmm is it though? Quite a few articles like https://futurism.com/future-society/elon-musk-stiffing-contr... make me think they better ask to be paid upfront.

It's so interesting to me that the whole "futurism" concept got co-opted into some sort of political propaganda machine. All the articles are negative hit pieces, they're all reductive, they're almost all political in nature. I used to go on the futurism subreddit years ago and it's all the same there. You'd think "futurism" would be about .. promoting new technology, ushering in the future, you know .. futurism. Not…

Any particular issue you have with the content of the article?

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by decimalenough »

bigyabai wrote: post #187
bko wrote: post #140

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I don't know, government waste and most policy sucks. But there's no reason we can't do stuff or even try. For instance, take Tesla. It wasn't anything revolutionary. Any auto manufacturer could have invested in battery technology and building a compelling EV, but they didn't. Same with manufacturing in America. Every manufacturer took as given that they have to outsource manufacturing to oversees and components to t…

> Any auto manufacturer could have invested in battery technology and building a compelling EV, but they didn't ...because Tesla sold luxury vehicles at relatively low volume. By the time Elon reneged his "$25,000 EV" promise, China was ready to export vehicles that actually hit that price point. The only thing preventing Americans from driving affordable EVs is Elon's federal protectionism. Is that really progress?

The Model Y has shifted over a million units every year since 2023 and sits at the top of many "world's best selling car" rankings.

Obviously it's not a cheap car, but it's still mass market, not luxury.

Re: Starbase, LA

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Post by Arodex »

thegrim33 wrote: post #188
utopiah wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmmm is it though? Quite a few articles like https://futurism.com/future-society/elon-musk-stiffing-contr... make me think they better ask to be paid upfront.

It's so interesting to me that the whole "futurism" concept got co-opted into some sort of political propaganda machine. All the articles are negative hit pieces, they're all reductive, they're almost all political in nature. I used to go on the futurism subreddit years ago and it's all the same there. You'd think "futurism" would be about .. promoting new technology, ushering in the future, you know .. futurism. Not…

>they're all reductive

What is reductive in the richest man on Earth not paying his dues on time? What nuance, what depth do you think is needed here?

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