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How much of HN is AI?

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Re: How much of HN is AI?

#221

This is a new question that is well worth sitting with! The shape of the current Hacker News experience certainly implies an abundance of AI generated content. A quiet approach to testing this insight is to ask the HN community itself, then assess the resulting replies for the load-bearing surface features. But at the end of the day, aren't we all waiting to unpack our throughlines?

It's like blasting white noise at max volume. I wonder if all communication will eventually be rendered into a homogenous thrumming hiss.

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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It seems a bit self-reinforcing. AI makes almost zero (positive) impact on my day to day life and isn't actually something I interact with directly and the same holds true for most people I talk to. There's a few of my friends in tech for whom AI has obviously massively changed how they work, but again not in a clear positive direction. To me there seems to be a push to heavily prompte LLMs, even thought the benefits…

LLMs have helped us keep HN up and still (relatively) fast amid a huge onslaught of new traffic over the last year or so. We've been able to solve problems and find opportunities for optimization that we'd never have gotten to without the help of Claude or ChatGPT. Although this is one of those threads where people love to report how much they dislike HN, how it's a poor shadow of its former self, and how they barely…

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Re: How much of HN is AI?

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I think microprocessors were the biggest thing, until the internet, then the web, open source, system on a chip, virtualization, cloud, .. When each of those things came in, there was definitely some stumbling but I remember things being less ambiguous about being good than LLMs.

The ambiguity partly comes from denial. LLMs in the end, to be brutally honest, replace us. That is the direction it's headed and some people can't face the cold hard truth.

Or are tired of the hyperboles and straight up lies. Will you hand over your bank account to an agent? Can it grow food and sew clothes?

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ambiguity partly comes from denial. LLMs in the end, to be brutally honest, replace us. That is the direction it's headed and some people can't face the cold hard truth.

Or are tired of the hyperboles and straight up lies. Will you hand over your bank account to an agent? Can it grow food and sew clothes?

If it can't yet, it will very soon. In less than five years probably.

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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The worst IMO is the bot accounts. And the worst of that IMO are the people that behave as if they were bot accounts. The self-promoting thought-leading experts (usually on AI) with a skin as thick as a single cell membrane.

At the moment, half of this site on a given day is terrible ads with a swarm of the same people defending each other's attempts at either becoming or staying relevant - utilizing the latest gold rush topic to do so.

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I'm not quite sure what could be done about this. The moderation does do a good job, so it's not that.

I also see that not everyone feels repulsed by the self-promotion. So maybe there is no problem and/or the problem is me. But I kinda doubt that too.

Maybe the time of voting systems for ... uh.. "social media" is somewhat over-ish? Though if I was truly signed up on that thought, I would not be commenting here but on I guess lobsters?

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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Reading about tech has become gradually less and less fun for me over the past 16 years. Does anyone remember the awe that was felt the first time we encountered an iPhone. Or an iPad? I remember those days I would read tech news and sites like Ars Technica and comments were sometimes snarky and indignant but generally people were enthusiastic about reading tech because it offered glimpses into more technically advan…

>Does anyone remember the awe that was felt the first time we encountered an iPhone. Or an iPad? Yes, and when I first saw LLMs and image generators I experienced a similar feeling of awe. We haven't had anything like this in decades. It is unfortunate that many people are negative and nasty about it. Local politicians are getting shot at over datacenter projects. We have truly lost the plot. I used to think that peo…

Ignorance. Ignorance of the facts on the ground and the politics of the moment.

Do you honestly believe that the ledger for automation has zero items in the "liabilities" column? Do you think that 100% of people whose job is displaced find another job in a reasonable amount of time and on the same order or pay / status?

Do you believe that neighbors of recently built data centers have nothing to complain about?

The truth is that "data center politics" is happening in the context of post-NAFTA offshoring of lots of jobs/industry, post-manufacturing migration to the South, post-hollowing of labor unions, and in the context of Trump's War on Immigration (where AI companies have likened their product to "infinite AI immigrants").

Even the White House's Ratepayer Protection Pledge (a laudable goal) event was undermined by POTUS's speech at the event. Instead of even pretending to listen to the people who are hesitant about first and second order effects of data center buildouts, he encouraged developers to push the projects through ASAP and ignore all of the naysayers. It's clear this entire project is to maximize commercial advancement, not benefit people or give voice to voters/constituents.

And in a moment where we are told we have to do this ASAP because "we are in a race with China" but nobody can explain the race. It's not for AGI because China doesn't expect it to yield AGI. Perhaps Zuckerberg does, but he was wrong about crypto, then Metaverse, then open weights models training (before he returned to open weights). The US seems to be using LLMs wrong as a glorified DEI detector (DOGE using LLMs to enforce their political homodoxy) and to identify schools in Iran to bomb + double tap.

China has reasonable regulations on LLMs to protect their society whereas our "regulations" seem to be the Amazon CEO texting David Sachs on a Friday evening to warn about cybersecurity in a misunderstanding between what Mythos (prerelease for select privileged users) and Fable (general release with lots of moderation controls) and the nature of the cybersecurity vulnerabilities found (they were able to be replicated with other non-Claude models).

We are being outwitted by ourselves. The problem isn't the people anxious about data centers or AI. It's the clueless leaders who don't bother to anticipate the obvious outcomes of their decisions and execute a plan to mitigate it. And you desire "feeling awe" so much that you don't want to recognize that politics means not everybody is going to succumb to the same feeling of awe, and that's okay.

Re: How much of HN is AI?

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90% of the commentators are AI/bots these days.

And 91% of all statistics on social media are fabricated out of thin air.

If that were truly a problem, why wouldn't a human-only social media platform take off like wildfire?

Re: How much of HN is AI?

#230
HN is about to witness the exodus/migration we've seen in prior years, except this time it will be a much larger movement rather than focused/specific top contributors who just said "fuck it" and had enough with this shithole.

See also: jwz's referral redirect.

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