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Re: Nitter and XCancel receive cease and desist notices

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Post by KronisLV »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #6

What is the main use case for X these days? Is it still as popular as it used to be? Clearly the exodus that happened when Musk took it over didn't kill it but I do seem to see fewer links to it than I used to. Whenever I do see it linked on here it seems to be because one of the big tech CEOs has said something on it.

> What is the main use case for X these days? Is it still as popular as it used to be?

No idea comparatively, but an artist friend of mine tried out Bluesky and then complained about how there's way more of a limited reach and engagement there compared to Twitter.

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Post by bluecalm »

X makes a platform available. People choose to post on it knowing full well how it works. X makes money by running ads, charging for subscriptions and tracking users.

To me it sounds reasonable that you can't just take that content and repost it without their or the author of the post explicit permission. It sounds like a fair use case and copying the whole content is not that.

Now there are technical details: "are they really copying or generating on the fly for the user" but I don't think it matters. At the end of the day the content belongs to either X or their users. I think arguments against that are arguments against copyright in general.

If I ever posted something on X my expectations would be that if people want to read it they need to obey X's terms and conditions. I wouldn't be happy if there was a platform copying it somewhere else. If I wanted my post to be public I would post on freely available public website (and then maybe repost or link it from my X's account).

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Post by datadrivenangel »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #150
smalltorch wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it available? Would like to peek around, I also made a clone. There are lots of little details about the HN ui that were difficult to get just right.

Oh no way, a fellow HN cloning nerd! Hi! You’re absolutely right. It’s taken almost daily work from April till now, but I finally have almost everything. Navigation links were particularly tricky. I’d love to see yours too. Right now it’s running locally on my laptop, but I plan to deploy it to https://news.ycombinator.lol soon. I was gonna make AI generated comments but the API costs are pretty high. Source is fully…

hackernews clone but all the comments are AI would be kinda funny.

Re: Nitter and XCancel receive cease and desist notices

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Post by dokyun »

gs17 wrote: post #100
alde wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Federated platforms like Mastodon and Bluesky are "culturally" closed What does the even mean if you can host your own

Hosting your own doesn't really matter if it just means you're on a social network with one user.

Lots of people run single-user instances.

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Post by Markoff »

seems all instances except xcancel.com stopped working

https://status.d420.de

I left Twitter few years ago as active user, it was not really giving me anything in return for contribution, I was still passively reading few accounts I followed through Nitter and used also Nitter redirect for all Twitter links in news articles.

If Musk thinks by shutting down Nitter instances I will return to Twitter he could not be further from truth, it doesn't really provide me anything essential I would not find elsewhere. It's almost as Google thinking I will ever pay for Youtube premium, if adblockers would stop working.

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#158

Post by csomar »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #6

What is the main use case for X these days? Is it still as popular as it used to be? Clearly the exodus that happened when Musk took it over didn't kill it but I do seem to see fewer links to it than I used to. Whenever I do see it linked on here it seems to be because one of the big tech CEOs has said something on it.

I rarely use it (you need an account, so I need to add cancel to the url) but last time I had a "guest" account was two years ago and it was pretty much all bots. That being said, some (important) people or companies still use it for announcement but these are usually linked and xcancel works just fine.

I honestly have no idea if there are real people who actually use it daily. Who can read that stuff?

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#159

Post by jrflowers »

erulabs wrote: post #53

The open web is dead. The open web remains dead. And we have killed it. I'm actually much less anti-Musk than the average HN commentator but it should be universally agreed here that a small handful of mega-corp websites dominating the majority of content on the web is a bad thing . Nitter was hardly a solution. Federated platforms like Mastodon and Bluesky are "culturally" closed, and "free speech" platforms like X…

> IMO we all need to start vibe coding PHP bulletin boards again. 'RETVRN' etc.

The most recent release of phpbb was 2 months ago

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Post by dokyun »

alde wrote: post #76
erulabs wrote: post #53

The open web is dead. The open web remains dead. And we have killed it. I'm actually much less anti-Musk than the average HN commentator but it should be universally agreed here that a small handful of mega-corp websites dominating the majority of content on the web is a bad thing . Nitter was hardly a solution. Federated platforms like Mastodon and Bluesky are "culturally" closed, and "free speech" platforms like X…

> Federated platforms like Mastodon and Bluesky are "culturally" closed What does the even mean if you can host your own

Nothing, fedi is extremely anarchic by design. If you don't like a server you can move to a different one, or start your own. The big Mastodon servers put in a great deal of effort to police what their users can see and interact with (see FediBlock), but it's impossible to shut certain people or groups out of the network entirely. It's a double-edged sword, but it's a net good for the kind of network it was intended to be, which is a hacker's network; it wasn't designed for normies.
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