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MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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The AI aspect of this is a red herring. The real problem is that they're secretly adding in a unique identifier into every image you create. If somebody does not like your meme, they can just send a copyright subpoena to Microsoft to instantly get your full name, address, email, phone number, and any other data associated with your Microsoft account. Just like age verification, this is another weapon in the war again…

How can they send a copyright subpoena for work which cannot be copyrighted? There is a contradiction here between "no it's FAIR USE" and copyright.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Haven’t printers done the same thing for decades?

Also why color laser printers refuse to print b/w documents when they run out of color toner since they can no longer print the yellow DocuColor tracking dots.

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Can this also be weaponized? Get an innocuous image from someone you don't like, grab their GUID, add it to another image, sent it to the thin skinned politician in power.

No, because the GU in GUID stands for globally unique. Adding it to a second image would cause a detectable collision. Also, C2PA, another technology mentioned in the article, means tampering is easily detected.

It depends on which version of GUID it is. Only version 3 and 5 are hash based. The other versions are random, time, and/or MAC address based. Version 3 uses MD5 and its cheap to get the same hash for different images: https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/1434/are-there-tw...

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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There are plenty of evidence of Hasan Piker's antisemitism to the point that people have been collecting and contextualizing them: https://whoishasanpiker.com/antisemitism Also plenty of groups fighting against racism and antisemitism have come out against him (ADL, AJC), it's easy to Google. That House resolution is just the latest good indication that it's not just some isolated incidents. Piker's only answers are…

I only skimmed the first half of this list but I believe truth is an absolute defense to antisemitism just like defamation, right? You're really gonna say that "netanyahu is a jewish supremacist" is antisemitism, when it's well documented and probably relevant to whatever he was talking about at the time? He must've really pissed someone off to get his own hate site. I think we all know who he pissed off. That hate s…

You asked for evidence, I've provided plenty, with context.

Skimming them and picking one that doesn't fully meet your criteria, then call it a "hate site" and then use vagueries like:

> He must've really pissed someone off to get his own hate site. I think we all know who he pissed off.

Tells me you have no interest in engaging in this in good faith.

Also nobody cares if a website quoting someone being hateful would be illegal outside of the USA. Piker is an American citizen, spewing hateful antisemitism on an American platform... but nice attempt at a red herring.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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As a linux fan I just love all these changes Microsoft have been introducing

As another Linux fan, I don't. What Microsoft does to their users changes the overton window of what's acceptable in tech. Before you know it there will be a politician demanding that all software systems that don't implement such tracking will be outlawed and there will be no one left to speak up to you because they are all already used to the tracking so why should you get a pass.

Exactly. North Star linux was doing this 20yr ago. And now Microsoft thinks it's ok to do it.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Obviously it's bad and we can all say "fuck Microsoft" once more, but "we" probably don't use Windows anyway, right? I have no idea, really, but if you willingly use closed-source spyware that is notorious (for AT LEAST 15 years) for all kinds of invasive telemetry it forces upon you, you probably wouldn't find this new piece of information concerning anyway.

And ironically, I think that this one is kinda fair. I mean, you specifically asked your software to generate whatever pseudo-random bytes it wishes to loosely based on some text prompt. It did that. Now, apparently, these pseudo-random bytes turn out to be personally identifiable. So what? I suppose they didn't claim their PRNG to be cryptography-grade. They could even make it seem like an accident, should they be bothered to. Make it way less obvious.

Now if it would insert watermarks on save (like printers do), that would be really outrageous. But when you trust software to produce "whatever", you probably shouldn't be really mad about it doing anything more than you asked to.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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post #347

Injecting hidden GUIDs into local files without explicit user consent is a massive privacy overreach. It makes you wonder what other local tools are silently tagging user generated content.

The question is whether LLM providers are going to do this. Anthropic currently says they don’t, but it’s impossible to verify: > Watermarking carries no identifying information and can’t be traced to a specific person, organization, or chat; https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-text-watermark

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Oh that makes it totally ok then...

Not saying that, but at least that there must have been ample legal precedent that this is probably allowed.

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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I only skimmed the first half of this list but I believe truth is an absolute defense to antisemitism just like defamation, right? You're really gonna say that "netanyahu is a jewish supremacist" is antisemitism, when it's well documented and probably relevant to whatever he was talking about at the time? He must've really pissed someone off to get his own hate site. I think we all know who he pissed off. That hate s…

You asked for evidence, I've provided plenty, with context. Skimming them and picking one that doesn't fully meet your criteria, then call it a "hate site" and then use vagueries like: > He must've really pissed someone off to get his own hate site. I think we all know who he pissed off. Tells me you have no interest in engaging in this in good faith. Also nobody cares if a website quoting someone being hateful would…

Are you aware of the bullshit asymmetry principle?

When you cite a parade of bullshit I'm not obligated to refute all of it. A representative sample is enough to demonstrate that it's bullshit and that the bullshit asymmetry principle applies.

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