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AI is hitting entry-level jobs hardest, Stanford study finds

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Re: AI is hitting entry-level jobs hardest, Stanford study finds

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Post by 33e »

randycupertino wrote: post #40
dver wrote: post #32

It's brutal, my son with a CS degree hasn't been able to get to single live interview ina year. A couple of screens has been it. I've reached out to my network, and the reply is always we're not hiring any juniors.

Right now my company seems to be only hiring people they already know or have worked with before. Every single hire in the last 4 months I've seen get on-boarded has been back-channeled. I've had 4 direct referrals and none of them have gotten in but all made it to the final round just to be surpassed by someone the hiring manager already knew and liked from their previous teams. Even with a strong referral it's hard…

Why is this? Is it partly influenced by the fact that LinkedIn etc suck?

Re: AI is hitting entry-level jobs hardest, Stanford study finds

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Post by dver »

A_SIGINT wrote: post #82
dver wrote: post #32

It's brutal, my son with a CS degree hasn't been able to get to single live interview ina year. A couple of screens has been it. I've reached out to my network, and the reply is always we're not hiring any juniors.

Can you give me an email to reach out to you at? My company may need an intern/Junior here soon. I'd be happy to take a look at his resume. Fully remote, Full stack .NET in addition to AI/Python/data-science work

dverespey@gmail.com is mine. In my profile as well.

Re: AI is hitting entry-level jobs hardest, Stanford study finds

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Post by jiaosdjf »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #31

When do we declare this status-quo? It was expected for several years, and new data is just piling up with the same conclusions from the last study.

Robots will be the real status-quo changer. Information/office jobs have never really felt real to society, we are all living in a bubble of corporate daycare. Half the jobs being replaced are jobs that didn't exist a decade or two ago that the average person on the street doesn't even know exist.

The rest of society unfortunately have to work "real" jobs where they have to turn up early to do things like stocking, cleaning, cooking, harvesting, assembling.

When a robot can be a drop-in replacement hire for these roles it's apocalypse time. It is coming.

Re: AI is hitting entry-level jobs hardest, Stanford study finds

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Post by hamzac98 »

fny wrote: post #27

The implosion in junior quality exacerbates this. The cohort that started during COVID were first knee-capped by remote classes and exams, and then they lobotomized themselves with ChatGPT.

I have no sympathy for those that relied on ChatGPT to get through their entire education

Re: AI is hitting entry-level jobs hardest, Stanford study finds

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Post by lotsofpulp »

throwayay4929 wrote: post #78

1. The papers author's never claim causality. 2. There are other large macro forces at play, like firm consolidation, proliferation of NDAs, interest rates*, lack of growth (without Nvidia, the US economy would basically be in a recession?) and probably many more that are putting the job market into a low hire/low fire state. Consider how we're actually not seeing much layoffs (some, but not much). So what were seein…

> 1. The papers author's never claim causality. 2. There are other large macro forces at play, like firm consolidation, proliferation of NDAs, interest rates*, lack of growth (without Nvidia, the US economy would basically be in a recession?) and probably many more that are putting the job market into a low hire/low fire state.

And the backdrop of an aging population that needs asset prices to keep rising to meet benefit and retirement obligations, so stagflation it is.

Re: AI is hitting entry-level jobs hardest, Stanford study finds

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Post by HWR_14 »

33e wrote: post #91
randycupertino wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now my company seems to be only hiring people they already know or have worked with before. Every single hire in the last 4 months I've seen get on-boarded has been back-channeled. I've had 4 direct referrals and none of them have gotten in but all made it to the final round just to be surpassed by someone the hiring manager already knew and liked from their previous teams. Even with a strong referral it's hard…

Why is this? Is it partly influenced by the fact that LinkedIn etc suck?

A known value is worth a lot.

Re: AI is hitting entry-level jobs hardest, Stanford study finds

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Post by 8cvor6j844qw_d6 »

vanuatu wrote: post #54
boshalfoshal wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "learning AI skills" even mean? You're typing into a prompt box. You are not applying any skill, the model is. At best, the skill you need is discernment about _what_ to type in this magical box. But if that gets cheaper and the output of your company doesn't necessarily scale horizontally that well. Why would I need as many people as before?

- knowing what to prompt - directing the model and knowing when its going off the rails - verification - setting up the right loops, harness, graphs around the models economics still apply to hiring people. if all your competitors are using ai and there's market share to fight over and people still are a productivity positive vs. only ai, hiring will increase as we've seen recently with swes

Could agree with some of the points.

I noticed the newer batch of interns tends to have less mechanical coding skills but does well on understanding and planning on the design, DB design, etc.

Re: AI is hitting entry-level jobs hardest, Stanford study finds

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Post by randycupertino »

33e wrote: post #91
randycupertino wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now my company seems to be only hiring people they already know or have worked with before. Every single hire in the last 4 months I've seen get on-boarded has been back-channeled. I've had 4 direct referrals and none of them have gotten in but all made it to the final round just to be surpassed by someone the hiring manager already knew and liked from their previous teams. Even with a strong referral it's hard…

Why is this? Is it partly influenced by the fact that LinkedIn etc suck?

I think it's trust. If you worked with someone and you know they are awesome and you are running a team you want to hire people who are known entities that you know will hit their deliverables, do a great job and won't be weird or cause friction with cross functional teams. Also of course there's always politics to navigate. I had a candidate I loved for my team who made it through 8 rounds and panel interview with strong hiring recommendations but we got overruled by our skip level who wanted to hire her friend.

The interesting thing is people recommend "networking" and people think it's like... meeting people at industry events or reaching out to linkedin connections but that's not really how I see networking working in real life. The networking that actually gets people jobs is networks from people you've already worked with before, or your professor is on the board of the company or like.. your parents know the exec team really well etc. So new grads truly are disadvantaged.

Re: AI is hitting entry-level jobs hardest, Stanford study finds

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Post by david38 »

dver wrote: post #32

It's brutal, my son with a CS degree hasn't been able to get to single live interview ina year. A couple of screens has been it. I've reached out to my network, and the reply is always we're not hiring any juniors.

Agreed. My daughter with a degree in math from Berkeley served coffee and tutored for a year before being accepted into a math PhD program. Amazing

Re: AI is hitting entry-level jobs hardest, Stanford study finds

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Post by throw849494499 »

asdfman123 wrote: post #48
georgeburdell wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand this logic. If I’m being honest, the most productive people with AI on my team are the two youngest. They don’t have product wisdom, yes, but the gap is so noticeable that I pushed my manager to forego the full-time work experience requirement that we have always had so that new hires don’t even know the old way of working and can just reframe the field in terms of AI. AI is the biggest threat in o…

But the AI transition is different than old technological changes in that you don't really have to learn anything. You don't have to memorize keywords and new concepts like you'd have to for, say, a new JavaScript framework. If you don't know something about AI, you can just ask it and it will tell you. Basically the only hard part for old people is getting USED to using AI. Some haven't, but it only takes a few week…

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