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Re: Qwen 3.8-Flash-Next releasing tomorrow (125B a6B)

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It will be interesting to see the intersection of this with inference engines like FreeToken which improve distribution of work for MoE models across CPU/RAM and GPU/VRAM. If all it takes for a competitive model to run locally at good speeds is a used 3090 and some DDR4, then we might be in for the year of local AI. https://github.com/FlashML-org/FreeToken

You can already run it locally its just not the same. It is still slow, a lot slower than what you are used to with claude and co. And as soon as you increase context size, your memory requirements jump. Then when it runs for 30 minutes for something claude needs 5, your device will get hot. And even a used 3090 is apparently now between 1-2k.

> It is still slow, a lot slower than what you are used to with claude and co.

That really depends on the model, I run a few models locally. All at speeds comparable to or faster than Opus.

In general we haven't reached the ceiling for what performance we can get out of consumer hardware. As evidence by FreeToken which hasn't even added MTP/speculative drafting support yet, which will add another boost.

> Then when it runs for 30 minutes for something claude needs 5, your device will get hot.

I doubt the timing differential here, but even still I run my 3090 pretty heavily with inference workloads and it stays cooler than when I use it for gaming.

> And even a used 3090 is apparently now between 1-2k.

Yeah I guess the price went up significantly in the last couple months, used to be hovering around 1k. 3090 isn't the only option though.

Re: Qwen 3.8-Flash-Next releasing tomorrow (125B a6B)

#53

It will be interesting to see the intersection of this with inference engines like FreeToken which improve distribution of work for MoE models across CPU/RAM and GPU/VRAM. If all it takes for a competitive model to run locally at good speeds is a used 3090 and some DDR4, then we might be in for the year of local AI. https://github.com/FlashML-org/FreeToken

You can already run it locally its just not the same. It is still slow, a lot slower than what you are used to with claude and co. And as soon as you increase context size, your memory requirements jump. Then when it runs for 30 minutes for something claude needs 5, your device will get hot. And even a used 3090 is apparently now between 1-2k.

yeah, but otoh... f* Anthropic and OpenAI

Re: Qwen 3.8-Flash-Next releasing tomorrow (125B a6B)

#54
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tested Muse Glimmer in low reasoning strength? Token generation is slow (and prefill is) but you will likely find it solves actual problems faster than Qwen 3.6 35B-A3B.

I’ll give it a try! Thanks for the heads up!

I’m using the Unsloth 4-bit quant.

To change the reasoning strength you just put text in the system prompt.

From memory it is:

  Reasoning strength: low

Re: Qwen 3.8-Flash-Next releasing tomorrow (125B a6B)

#59

Really looking forward to this, 27B is a struggle with a strix halo and Laguna 2.1 can do stupid things for tooling calls.

Yeah 27B is way too slow for the Strix Halo. Laguna was better but still slow when I tried it. Qwen3.6 35B is still the best today.

it'll hopefully improve with more MoE and half the prefill/generation. I think it's the sweet spot for the strix halo for smarter or vibe tasks.

Re: Qwen 3.8-Flash-Next releasing tomorrow (125B a6B)

#60
post #11

I was already rolling around the idea of a 128GB M5 Max MBP. Now this! A 4-bit MLX quant with 128k window should fit perfectly, in the 50-70 tok/s range.

Just out of curiosity, why run "local-local" when you could just set up a Mini or Studio at home and query it over http? [edit] whole conversation about this in another thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49433413

I’m personally considering retiring my MBP for a Studio + 15" Air whenever this MBP ages out.

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