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Re: New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro

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The "up to" and "Yx" compared to three generations ago specs from Apple. Never change.

I think there's a valid argument for this pattern when you know most people are on 3-ish year upgrade cycles. Also, if you compare against the most recent generation, you risk creating buyer's remorse for recent purchases.

Re: New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro

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You will not feel a difference in coding/dev work between M1 to M6 in a relevant manner.

Have been considering a used M1 but I'm concerned that I'm going to get flash storage that's been thrashed to within an inch of it's life by someone running it as a poorly configured inference host.

There are sooo sooo many students and normal people using these devices or corporate laptops never seen inferencing or anything like this, its so hard to trash the storage of them, i wouldn't worry about it.

Re: New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro

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What I am missing in all of those benchmarks, how does the M6 compares to the M5 Pro. I don't care how the M6 compares to the M1, even when the M6 2.3x compared to M1 in Excel spreadsheet. That is no measurement even in accounting. The dead time is not the Excel. I am to only one?

The big difference you're not looking at is the memory bandwidth. The M5 Pro has nearly twice the one of the M6:

170GB/s memory bandwidth Configurable up to 32GB unified memory

307GB/s memory bandwidth Configurable up to 64GB unified memory

That is also the factor you want to take into account for AI inference, of course.

Re: New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro

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Mac Mini M4 launched less than 2 years ago at $600 (US, $500 with edu discount; as low as $400 on general discounts). Now same config with M6 is $900.

same spec, same chip. I tought Apple would at least bump the RAM

You thought they'd bump the base RAM in the middle of the biggest RAM crisis in history?

Re: New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro

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Wow. Is OpenClaw still alive? Would their users spend so many for the new Mac mini?

How many tokens per second would you even get on them?

Afaik most openclaw users aren’t running their llm locally - just using a mac mini as an always-on sandbox for agents.

Re: New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro

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Era of cheap compute is over I'm afraid

No, it's not. We do have to live through this long and harsh winter, though.

I really want a mini for running local models, but there's no way I'm buying one for the next few years. I'm planning on waiting for models to get better and more powerful, as well as for hardware prices to come down.

Re: New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro

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> Up to 2x faster gaming performance with ray tracing in Cyberpunk 2077: Ultimate Edition when compared to Mac mini with M4. Interesting that Apple quotes performances when playing Cyberpunk 2077 ! Maybe they will want to care more about gaming ? And while i'm at it, I was wondering a few weeks ago if I should try this game on my M3 pro. Anyone has played it on Apple and has feedback ?

Apple does this thing where they pick a very old game and then boast about how well it runs. It's so bizarre.

Not like Mac gaming is good anyway...they have "Game Porting Toolkit" but it's not free and open like Proton so nobody will use it unless Apple pushes them. Removing Rosetta doesn't help either.

Re: New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will not feel a difference in coding/dev work between M1 to M6 in a relevant manner.

Have been considering a used M1 but I'm concerned that I'm going to get flash storage that's been thrashed to within an inch of it's life by someone running it as a poorly configured inference host.

Where's a reliable place to buy a used Mac? I'm afraid of ending up with a broken unit.

Re: New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro

#49

So happy with my base M4 purchase for $499 when it released. I even snagged a 1TB replacement drive for $199 a year ago. Feels like I got the last train out.

Same thing for me! Got it with the education discount when it came out in 2024 and, although I've been pretty disappointed with macOS, it's crazy to see that the price increased by $300 in less than 2 years, with no sign of the price increases slowing down.

What will happen once people are priced out of buying computers? I find this worrying.

Re: New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro

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Wow. Is OpenClaw still alive? Would their users spend so many for the new Mac mini?

How many tokens per second would you even get on them?

OpenClaw was originally designed to run on a Mac, but using remote LLMs accessed via API. Running the LLM locally on beefier hardware came later.
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