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Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by nunobrito »

maeln wrote: post #47
donpdonp wrote: post #35

for those simply looking to try nostr for the first time, https://iris.to is a great way to get started.

Took a look and when I got there, the first post was about bitcoin, the second was an add for a cryptocurrency app, the next one was about nostr and bitcoin. The fourth was actually unrelated to either ! But then it was crypto or nostr again. Terrible way to make a first impression (unless you are into crypto I suppose).

Try following things you are interested. My topics are radio tech and my feed comes up with things that actually interest me.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by teekert »

madeofpalk wrote: post #67
teekert wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is really not doing it justice. Some people say the same about podcasting 2.0, but it is so much more, even Apple is starting to pick up features from it (chapters, artwork, transcripts). Not the Lighthing/boosting no. But that's ok right? Many people get all emotional around crypto and blow it out of proportions imho. Sure there are many bad things about it, but to let your opinion of crypto taint so many nice…

Chapters and artwork have been features of podcasting since the very beginning. They've been supported in mp3 for like over 20 years.

This is about the structure of metadata, why would you want to tie this to a file format? Even Apple realizes that is not the way to go. And what about transcripts then, Person/guest metadata, Chapter artwork, Live tags (so you can tune in live in a podcasting app)?

"Some subset of these features is in MP3" is not a valid response.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by lxgr »

teekert wrote: post #62
kinakomochidayo wrote: post #45

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Yup, it’s basically a gigantic bitcoin maxi lightning promotion project.

That is really not doing it justice. Some people say the same about podcasting 2.0, but it is so much more, even Apple is starting to pick up features from it (chapters, artwork, transcripts). Not the Lighthing/boosting no. But that's ok right? Many people get all emotional around crypto and blow it out of proportions imho. Sure there are many bad things about it, but to let your opinion of crypto taint so many nice…

If you really think that crypto people invented podcast chapters and transcripts, you might want to do a reality check.

These have been around in podcatchers for a long time, see e.g. [1] for chapter markers. Apple lagging behind on podcasting features/quasi-standards is also the norm, not the exception.

[1] https://id3.org/id3v2-chapters-1.0

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by nunobrito »

FreeTrade wrote: post #34

I tried very hard to develop for Nostr with the idea it was an inclusive communication commons. Turns out it was a Lightning Network payments promotion project. All of its users (aside from its creator) were very much more interested in Lightning than in Nostr. Dismal experience, still bitter about the effort I wasted on it.

That is an unfair judgement. There are people there using LN, just as there are others using Monero, BCH or whatever crypto rocks their boat.

I develop for NOSTR and use zero cryptocurrencies because the communication aspect is what matters, especially the account with npubs which are basically universal entry cards to avoid anyone having to create separate accounts just to use some website or app.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by [deleted] »

teekert wrote: post #64
siwatanejo wrote: post #57

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> no lighting payments Nah, you didn't understand it. Lightning is a layer-2 protocol on top of bitcoin. Nostr is the so-called layer-3. Good luck trying to build Nostr without Lightning.

False. Nostr is not “Layer 3” in any standard technical sense. Nostr is an open, decentralized protocol for exchanging and publishing messages/events. It doesn't sit on top of Bitcoin or Lightning in the way Lightning sits on Bitcoin. You absolutely can build/use Nostr without Lightning. Stop with this (anti-crypto)-bro fear mongering (yes anti-crypto in brackets as 1 thing). It's not helping FOSS, it's doing big-tec…

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Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by teekert »

lxgr wrote: post #73
teekert wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is really not doing it justice. Some people say the same about podcasting 2.0, but it is so much more, even Apple is starting to pick up features from it (chapters, artwork, transcripts). Not the Lighthing/boosting no. But that's ok right? Many people get all emotional around crypto and blow it out of proportions imho. Sure there are many bad things about it, but to let your opinion of crypto taint so many nice…

If you really think that crypto people invented podcast chapters and transcripts, you might want to do a reality check. These have been around in podcatchers for a long time, see e.g. [1] for chapter markers. Apple lagging behind on podcasting features/quasi-standards is also the norm, not the exception. [1] https://id3.org/id3v2-chapters-1.0

Crypto-people? As in that that other part of Homo Sapiens that is about to split off, or what? (Yes sarcasm) What are you even talking about? Please do some research before coming with such a response.

Anything that is crypto-adjacent or sometimes even "not actively opposing" cryptocurrencies is heavily disapproved of here. I get some of it, and agree with much of it, but it always goes too far. Always leads to conclusions not grounded in truth because as soon as the term comes up there is a heavy emotional reaction.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by siwatanejo »

teekert wrote: post #64
siwatanejo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no lighting payments Nah, you didn't understand it. Lightning is a layer-2 protocol on top of bitcoin. Nostr is the so-called layer-3. Good luck trying to build Nostr without Lightning.

False. Nostr is not “Layer 3” in any standard technical sense. Nostr is an open, decentralized protocol for exchanging and publishing messages/events. It doesn't sit on top of Bitcoin or Lightning in the way Lightning sits on Bitcoin. You absolutely can build/use Nostr without Lightning. Stop with this (anti-crypto)-bro fear mongering (yes anti-crypto in brackets as 1 thing). It's not helping FOSS, it's doing big-tec…

Oh look, an anti-crypto guy that advocates for L402 support!!: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48281948

Beeeep, wrong. Next question.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by lxgr »

teekert wrote: post #76
lxgr wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you really think that crypto people invented podcast chapters and transcripts, you might want to do a reality check. These have been around in podcatchers for a long time, see e.g. [1] for chapter markers. Apple lagging behind on podcasting features/quasi-standards is also the norm, not the exception. [1] https://id3.org/id3v2-chapters-1.0

Crypto-people? As in that that other part of Homo Sapiens that is about to split off, or what? (Yes sarcasm) What are you even talking about? Please do some research before coming with such a response. Anything that is crypto-adjacent or sometimes even "not actively opposing" cryptocurrencies is heavily disapproved of here. I get some of it, and agree with much of it, but it always goes too far. Always leads to concl…

I was under the impression you were referring to the Podcasting 2.0 Lightning monetization history. (Podcasting 2.0 includes a few Lightning-related extensions as far as I understand.)

My point stands also if you weren't: Podcasting 2.0 did not invent chapter markers, it only added them to the RSS feed.

> Anything that is crypto-adjacent or sometimes even "not actively opposing" cryptocurrencies is heavily disapproved of here. I get some of it, and agree with much of it, but it always goes too far. Always leads to conclusions not grounded in truth.

I can't deny that I'm coming into crypto-adjacent discussions with some preconceptions, even though I'm sympathetic to many of the ideas, and don't treat the ecosystem as a monolith. There are well-intentioned folks in it, but also libertarian fanatics, corporate short-term-profit maximizers, social media grifters... I really wouldn't say that only crypto critics are at fault for the lack of grounding in truth. (And I say that as somebody that's been somewhat involved with it for a very long time.)

If you're one of the remaining well-intentioned folks in what has largely become a sea of grift, I do feel for you, but I also understand where people here are coming from.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by teekert »

lxgr wrote: post #78
teekert wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crypto-people? As in that that other part of Homo Sapiens that is about to split off, or what? (Yes sarcasm) What are you even talking about? Please do some research before coming with such a response. Anything that is crypto-adjacent or sometimes even "not actively opposing" cryptocurrencies is heavily disapproved of here. I get some of it, and agree with much of it, but it always goes too far. Always leads to concl…

I was under the impression you were referring to the Podcasting 2.0 Lightning monetization history. (Podcasting 2.0 includes a few Lightning-related extensions as far as I understand.) My point stands also if you weren't: Podcasting 2.0 did not invent chapter markers, it only added them to the RSS feed. > Anything that is crypto-adjacent or sometimes even "not actively opposing" cryptocurrencies is heavily disapprove…

Ok, yes, that is true (some podcasting 2.0 features are re-implementations, but there is much more and I wouldn't call them "crypto-people", that's just a term that paints those people in a bad light, especially here on HN, where "crypto" is a loaded term.

Yes part of podcasting 2.0 is lightning payments (which address a lot of issues people here have with crypto and has the potential to support indi devs and creators more fairly), but I admit I played with it and it is not there (yet).

Edit: And thank you for your thoughtful answer. There are some real lunatics on the crypto side indeed.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by teekert »

siwatanejo wrote: post #77
teekert wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False. Nostr is not “Layer 3” in any standard technical sense. Nostr is an open, decentralized protocol for exchanging and publishing messages/events. It doesn't sit on top of Bitcoin or Lightning in the way Lightning sits on Bitcoin. You absolutely can build/use Nostr without Lightning. Stop with this (anti-crypto)-bro fear mongering (yes anti-crypto in brackets as 1 thing). It's not helping FOSS, it's doing big-tec…

Oh look, an anti-crypto guy that advocates for L402 support!!: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48281948 Beeeep, wrong. Next question.

If you have any other proposal for true micropayments (as in fractions of cents of value that flow freely) please, indulge me. I for one would prefer to give value via lightning over forcing my eyeballs on ads everywhere I look.

Same goes for the agents I deploy, I'd like to have methods of returning value for whatever value they extract (in the form of information).

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