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Re: Ask HN: Why do corporate failures always seem to punish the wrong people?

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The purpose of a system is what the system does. -- Stafford Beer

Brain dead thinking: a system does multiple things so you just pick one story which trolls.

Better reply: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/come-on-obviously-the-purpo...

Re: Ask HN: Why do corporate failures always seem to punish the wrong people?

#123

The purpose of a system is what the system does. -- Stafford Beer

This quote is obviously not true though. There are tons of systems that continue to exist even though no one is happy with them.

I strongly disagree. If no one is happy with it, why is nobody changing the system?

Very often people say they aren't happy with a system, but secretly profit off of it, so they try to keep the system from changing. Maybe you have examples that don't follow this schema, but I've maybe seen a handful of such cases, whereas I've seen dozens where people were simply hiding their active support.

Re: Ask HN: Why do corporate failures always seem to punish the wrong people?

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This quote is obviously not true though. There are tons of systems that continue to exist even though no one is happy with them.

I strongly disagree. If no one is happy with it, why is nobody changing the system? Very often people say they aren't happy with a system, but secretly profit off of it, so they try to keep the system from changing. Maybe you have examples that don't follow this schema, but I've maybe seen a handful of such cases, whereas I've seen dozens where people were simply hiding their active support.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

Re: Ask HN: Why do corporate failures always seem to punish the wrong people?

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly disagree. If no one is happy with it, why is nobody changing the system? Very often people say they aren't happy with a system, but secretly profit off of it, so they try to keep the system from changing. Maybe you have examples that don't follow this schema, but I've maybe seen a handful of such cases, whereas I've seen dozens where people were simply hiding their active support.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

I hope you'll forgive me that I'm not interested in reading a 14k word article posted without even a single character regarding why it's relevant or how it relates.

Re: Ask HN: Why do corporate failures always seem to punish the wrong people?

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

I hope you'll forgive me that I'm not interested in reading a 14k word article posted without even a single character regarding why it's relevant or how it relates.

Moloch is why people don't revolt. Why did you care enough to word count it?

Re: Ask HN: Why do corporate failures always seem to punish the wrong people?

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you'll forgive me that I'm not interested in reading a 14k word article posted without even a single character regarding why it's relevant or how it relates.

Moloch is why people don't revolt. Why did you care enough to word count it?

I felt like it's nicer to let you know why I'm not going to engage with the resource you shared, and I'd think that the vast majority of readers here would agree that it's unreasonable to share a 14k word essay with no further description.

But if you'd rather have me be direct: it's rude to wordlessly post a long link.

Re: Ask HN: Why do corporate failures always seem to punish the wrong people?

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moloch is why people don't revolt. Why did you care enough to word count it?

I felt like it's nicer to let you know why I'm not going to engage with the resource you shared, and I'd think that the vast majority of readers here would agree that it's unreasonable to share a 14k word essay with no further description. But if you'd rather have me be direct: it's rude to wordlessly post a long link.

It's a good read.

Re: Ask HN: Why do corporate failures always seem to punish the wrong people?

#129
post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This quote is obviously not true though. There are tons of systems that continue to exist even though no one is happy with them.

I strongly disagree. If no one is happy with it, why is nobody changing the system? Very often people say they aren't happy with a system, but secretly profit off of it, so they try to keep the system from changing. Maybe you have examples that don't follow this schema, but I've maybe seen a handful of such cases, whereas I've seen dozens where people were simply hiding their active support.

The post that responded to you does a good job of explaining why systems exist that are difficult to change even though nobody is happy with them. It even provides 10 examples, although some of them are admittedly bad.

Re: Ask HN: Why do corporate failures always seem to punish the wrong people?

#130
post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly disagree. If no one is happy with it, why is nobody changing the system? Very often people say they aren't happy with a system, but secretly profit off of it, so they try to keep the system from changing. Maybe you have examples that don't follow this schema, but I've maybe seen a handful of such cases, whereas I've seen dozens where people were simply hiding their active support.

The post that responded to you does a good job of explaining why systems exist that are difficult to change even though nobody is happy with them. It even provides 10 examples, although some of them are admittedly bad.

What are your, say, top 3 examples in that post? I'd appreciate if you could specify strings I can CTRL+F for.
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