GLM 5.3 and all previous models don't have a vision encoder and can only accept text. Ox-Alpha can accept video and images, so unless Z-ai added a pretty good vision encoder for this model, I don't think so. My money is on Moonshot and this being Kimi K3.5. The measured tps and latency is in-line with K3's tps and latency from Moonshot. MiniMax M3.5 is also possible (but the MiniiMax provider is a lot more performant…
Ox-Alpha Is GLM?
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Re: Ox-Alpha Is GLM?
#42If it’s not zhipu then why is it returning errors that zhipu does for other models? Who else would return the exact same errors even if they took a lot of core infra like tokenizer from z?
Re: Ox-Alpha Is GLM?
#43Its amazing to me that providers haven't added any sort of masking of the prompt in the thinking traces to avoid prompt extraction via this sort of trivial attack
Re: Ox-Alpha Is GLM?
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Someone could've trained model on top of GLM. Same way Cognition trained their SWE model on top of Kimi and Cursor did same with their Composer model.
The reasoning levels are the same as GLM 5.3. GLM 5.3 is still not open... I believe it's GLM 5.3 Flash or Air.
Re: Ox-Alpha Is GLM?
#45Re: Ox-Alpha Is GLM?
#46If it’s not zhipu then why is it returning errors that zhipu does for other models? Who else would return the exact same errors even if they took a lot of core infra like tokenizer from z?
Ziphu has that many resources to be able to serve capacity for 1 quadrillion tokens per day on Nous portal? My bet is that it's a Composer model from Cursor running on xAI cluster, they already did a Composer based on Kimi-K2.5
- The provider has a massive amount of (unused) hardware. Google or Cursor seem most likely
- The model is extremely efficient, beyond anything we've seen so far
- Whomever made the model has improved the cache efficiency in such a way that it's very cheap to serve. See e.g Deepseeks or Xiaomi caching (pre-price increase)
Re: Ox-Alpha Is GLM?
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ziphu has that many resources to be able to serve capacity for 1 quadrillion tokens per day on Nous portal? My bet is that it's a Composer model from Cursor running on xAI cluster, they already did a Composer based on Kimi-K2.5
There's three options here: - The provider has a massive amount of (unused) hardware. Google or Cursor seem most likely - The model is extremely efficient, beyond anything we've seen so far - Whomever made the model has improved the cache efficiency in such a way that it's very cheap to serve. See e.g Deepseeks or Xiaomi caching (pre-price increase)
Re: Ox-Alpha Is GLM?
#48GLM 5.3 and all previous models don't have a vision encoder and can only accept text. Ox-Alpha can accept video and images, so unless Z-ai added a pretty good vision encoder for this model, I don't think so. My money is on Moonshot and this being Kimi K3.5. The measured tps and latency is in-line with K3's tps and latency from Moonshot. MiniMax M3.5 is also possible (but the MiniiMax provider is a lot more performant…
They have had vision models before just not their flagships
Re: Ox-Alpha Is GLM?
#49My bet: it's Google running a "new" model based on GLM