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Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by cosmicgadget »

mexicojalisco wrote: post #35
iAMkenough wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? Let the Free Market decide. If Americans can’t compete on merit, that’s their own fault. We don’t need reverse DEI. I thought the argument and attacks on DEI policies were about not hiring solely based on merit. Now you’re asking for a safe space where unqualified Americans get jobs over more qualified candidates.

Because the country through policy should not act directly against the interests of its citizens. Blue collar is gone and white collar is halfway there. Why even have borders? The government is by the people FOR the people. Not AGAINST the people FOR corporate profits. The h1b is being abused against it’s original intent.

I don't think he is advocating for this but rather juxtaposing it with common right wing talking points.

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by rayiner »

Daishiman wrote: post #16
rayiner wrote: post #5

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> If being in the U.S. didn’t offer advantages they wouldn’t be here to begin with. For companies hiring H1Bs it's about being closer to clients and colleagues and just being managerially far easier than opening an offshore office, but the benefit isn't infinite and once companies have the chops for opening new offices they'll turn down the H1B hiring. The issue for the US is that, are you're saying, "having faith in…

> only works if you have the process for developing unnaturally skillfull talent, which is just not going to happen once the smart people stop moving to the US

So how did America become a world power before H1B? The U.S. was the world’s largest industrial power by the early 20th century with almost zero skilled immigration. We had restrictionist immigration policies from 1921-1965 and skilled immigration after that was a trickle until the 1990s. Apart from one-off events like German scientists after World War II, immigration was heavily skewed towards poor but hard workers.

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by bubblethink »

onetimeusename wrote: post #50
rationalist wrote: post #45

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I forgot where I heard this, but the thought is that if a country takes the world's best and brightest, it means those other countries that they are coming from lose their best and brightest, making it harder for those other countries to succeed.

Well arguably H-1B is being abused specifically to lower wages. I think we're aware especially given the contrived ways of circumventing how H-1B is supposed to be used like deliberately advertising jobs in an obscure print newspaper that doesn't even get circulated or modifying the job description to suit an international candidate alone. But for me, a larger concern is elite overproduction ( https://en.wikipedia.or…

This is one of the problems with this issue. People talking about it are pretty clueless and have no idea what they're talking about. They get whipped up into an ignorant frenzy about something they don't understand. H-1B has no requirement for advertising in newspapers.

>But for me, a larger concern is elite overproduction.

Props for finding incredibly niche and out-there theories to support your worldview. This is kind of nice about HN. Normally, people would just cite the great replacement theory or other leftist slop to support protectionism, but you found something even more bizarre. It reminds me of how Vance talks. He'll bring up latin incantations like ordo amoris to justify otherwise mundane cruelties.

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by Daishiman »

lmz wrote: post #43
Daishiman wrote: post #28

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A lot of companies reasonably prefer to outsource software work that they don't deem part of their value-add or core competency for the same reason any other company outsources that kind of work. It may or may not be a cost reason (it usually isn't because contractors are not cheap even outsourced ones), it's mostly because you don't want to increase payroll for these tasks or the tasks are of temporary nature. This…

Of course you can outsource without offshoring.

Not if you actually want to get the best talent in the world.

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by Daishiman »

rayiner wrote: post #52
Daishiman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If being in the U.S. didn’t offer advantages they wouldn’t be here to begin with. For companies hiring H1Bs it's about being closer to clients and colleagues and just being managerially far easier than opening an offshore office, but the benefit isn't infinite and once companies have the chops for opening new offices they'll turn down the H1B hiring. The issue for the US is that, are you're saying, "having faith in…

> only works if you have the process for developing unnaturally skillfull talent, which is just not going to happen once the smart people stop moving to the US So how did America become a world power before H1B? The U.S. was the world’s largest industrial power by the early 20th century with almost zero skilled immigration. We had restrictionist immigration policies from 1921-1965 and skilled immigration after that w…

Because unskilled work and a gigantic natural resource base was the basis for wealth of the 19th century but that doesn’t hold up anymore?

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by Daishiman »

hollerith wrote: post #30
Daishiman wrote: post #16

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> If being in the U.S. didn’t offer advantages they wouldn’t be here to begin with. For companies hiring H1Bs it's about being closer to clients and colleagues and just being managerially far easier than opening an offshore office, but the benefit isn't infinite and once companies have the chops for opening new offices they'll turn down the H1B hiring. The issue for the US is that, are you're saying, "having faith in…

You seem to have interpreted "have faith in your own country" as "have faith in the people who grew up here" whereas I interpreted it is as more like "have faith that the parts of the country's institutions and culture responsible for its excellent economic performance will continue to prove difficult for other countries to replicate".

Having seen American institutions up close I’m sorry to say that if you subtract the people who have bought into the American dream you’ll find that it’s educational institutions are unremarkable.

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by lmz »

Daishiman wrote: post #54
lmz wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course you can outsource without offshoring.

Not if you actually want to get the best talent in the world.

The "best talent in the world" should have no problem with that six figure sum, then.

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by bubblethink »

bellowsgulch wrote: post #46
throwawayffffas wrote: post #29

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No, why are you saying they didn't step up. They lost the presidency, the house and the senate and the supreme court has had a conservative majority since before Bidens term. So what didn't they do, that they could have done?

Don't give away our job to Indians? I mean what do you want here, it's not a post-grad course. If H1Bs are for "highly specialized knowledge," why the fuck are we taking in Indians at below par cost for American "highly specialized knowledge?" Why is there not a highly significant fee or compensation threshold to prevent abuse?

But why not? Your [right to a] job isn't something enshrined in the constitution. Congress deemed it appropriate for your job to be given to someone else, for they provide better value than you do. The answer to all your "why" questions is - "Because Congress deemed it so".

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by iAMkenough »

mancerayder wrote: post #49
iAMkenough wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? Let the Free Market decide. If Americans can’t compete on merit, that’s their own fault. We don’t need reverse DEI. I thought the argument and attacks on DEI policies were about not hiring solely based on merit. Now you’re asking for a safe space where unqualified Americans get jobs over more qualified candidates.

A city's leadership shouldn't try to look after the city's interest? The answer to that is so obvious, you should look to explaining why it doesn't apply to the elected leadership of a nation.

Why should America’s best and brightest minds have to sacrifice the quality of talent on their teams? Choosing a less qualified candidate because of where the most qualified candidate was born.

How is encouraging brain drain looking out for best interests?

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by beAbU »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #11
throwa356262 wrote: post #9

All Canada needs to do to become the center of innovation now is to... become 10°C warmer.

Warmer would help, but the latitude difference still gets you on sun height and hours of daylight in the winter months.

Ireland nd UK are doing fine and we're farther north than most Canadian cities.
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