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Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by LollipopYakuza »

debugnik wrote: post #476
inigyou wrote: post #430

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So every channel sucks?

Sounds like you've let your feed fill with shitty channels, but no, not all channels do this. I mostly refuse to watch videos with those cringe clickbait thumbnails, and I've still got more stuff to watch that I've got time for. And it's mostly gaming and variety streamers, or music/animation artists; not serious stuff. Now, I'll grant you that these may not become as successful as the clickbaity ones. Then again, th…

But everyone ≠ you and a channel will be way more successful by using those shitty mechanism.

tl;dr Don't Hate The Player, Hate The Game

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by aquentinn »

wat10000 wrote: post #451
aquentinn wrote: post #421

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Every site needs analytics no, unless you're going to walk in the dark, and they need payment processors. If it was just about ads, they could have limited it to ads, like 'tracking for the purpose of advertising,' though even then is a press release advertising, and every serious company is going to have press releases. They could have instead targeted it, and applied it, to third party ad providers only, like Googl…

Nope, you don't need analytics. You might want analytics, and you might want them enough to bother every single visitor with a popup so you can have them, but you don't need them. And if you decide you need them, you can do them server side. That's not as good? Oh well. See above about want vs need. Why not just make a Google law? Because Google is far from the only abuser. Using a VPN that routes through Europe is a…

I think at this point everyone has forgotten what problem they were trying to address exactly, because they clearly haven't addressed it.

I think it was something like Google knows what you eat, or will eat, for breakfast. Ok, Facebook too and some other trillion dollar companies. That is cross websites infrastructure, data mining, etc, etc - platforms in one word. Why not apply all this to the ones doing it though, instead of making all websites responsible?

In regards to analytics, the library needs to know what book you borrowed. Sure, a website doesn't 'need' in some platonic sense to know what article was most read today, but the EU parliament clearly does.

It is a hard problem though, what they were trying to address, but arguing that they were effective beyond showing that there is an EU jurisdiction is not at this point a persuasive argument.

It's fine though. This is still a very new parliament. It can and hopefully will learn from the experience and maybe even make an effective use of that very new EU jurisdiction, like maybe break up these tech monopolies, or try.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by debugnik »

LollipopYakuza wrote: post #521
debugnik wrote: post #476

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Sounds like you've let your feed fill with shitty channels, but no, not all channels do this. I mostly refuse to watch videos with those cringe clickbait thumbnails, and I've still got more stuff to watch that I've got time for. And it's mostly gaming and variety streamers, or music/animation artists; not serious stuff. Now, I'll grant you that these may not become as successful as the clickbaity ones. Then again, th…

But everyone ≠ you and a channel will be way more successful by using those shitty mechanism. tl;dr Don't Hate The Player, Hate The Game

I don't even know what you're trying to convey: I'm countering the perception that every channel does this. But it isn't true, they've simply allowed themselves to have a disgusting feed.

The "players" can do whatever, I don't care, because I don't watch them; they barely even show up on my algorithmic feed anymore. No one has to watch them, they simply chose to and then pretend they didn't have a choice. I just want people to own it, these channels do clickbait because many people like it.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by LollipopYakuza »

debugnik wrote: post #523
LollipopYakuza wrote: post #521

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But everyone ≠ you and a channel will be way more successful by using those shitty mechanism. tl;dr Don't Hate The Player, Hate The Game

I don't even know what you're trying to convey: I'm countering the perception that every channel does this. But it isn't true, they've simply allowed themselves to have a disgusting feed. The "players" can do whatever, I don't care, because I don't watch them; they barely even show up on my algorithmic feed anymore. No one has to watch them, they simply chose to and then pretend they didn't have a choice. I just want…

My point is simply that you might have habits that made you filter out those channels, but the stats show that using clickbait thumbnails and titles has an impact that tremendously change the views.

Youtube creators are spending sometimes 1/3 of the time of production of a video on the thumbnail, with a dozen of variations in A/B testing. They have to optimize because the basic user decides in the first 5 seconds if they will continue watching. And Youtube punishes content creator if they notice that those users don't stay more than those few seconds.

I believe the vast majority of the creators (the "players") hate having to resort to those, but they just don't have a choice if they want it to be sustainable.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by queenkjuul »

pino83 wrote: post #516
queenkjuul wrote: post #512

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You don't have a group chat where friends are posting memes and videos?

I decided to not use Facebook. I don't even want to argue whether you should be this guy or that guy. It's the mixture that excited me. :) If you are on Facebook, you don't need to care what browser to use and you don't need to struggle with apps. Either have your own opinion and try to be consistent, credible and reliable with its implementation. Or be a good Normie. Eat Facebook - but take it as it's served to you.…

Did you respond to the wrong comment?

I don't use Facebook. I have a text message group chat with my friends where occasionally links to Instagram get posted. That's why i occasionally interact with Instagram, and why i asked if you have such a group chat

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by queenkjuul »

mey wrote: post #171
bee_rider wrote: post #114

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> Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's that at? This is the most annoying thing on the internet. There’s a site I’d like to use, but “try the app” takes up the entire page (and appears to be impossible to dismiss?). Actually, is there a way to permanently request the desktop site for all future visits to a domain on iOS? There is n…

I have Firefox setup to not launch apps on android with permission. I don't have Instagram/Facebook/etc installed. Attempting to view a Instagram link on mobile is the most hostile thing in existence. You essentially can't, but it so aggressively routes you to the website based Google play store it's horrifying.

I just today noticed how the "install app" button is placed precisely under (and around) the "sign up" overlay's close button. Sneaky bastards.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by pino83 »

queenkjuul wrote: post #525
pino83 wrote: post #516

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I decided to not use Facebook. I don't even want to argue whether you should be this guy or that guy. It's the mixture that excited me. :) If you are on Facebook, you don't need to care what browser to use and you don't need to struggle with apps. Either have your own opinion and try to be consistent, credible and reliable with its implementation. Or be a good Normie. Eat Facebook - but take it as it's served to you.…

Did you respond to the wrong comment? I don't use Facebook. I have a text message group chat with my friends where occasionally links to Instagram get posted. That's why i occasionally interact with Instagram, and why i asked if you have such a group chat

Sry, I just forgot that Instagram is completely and absolutely not Facebook and has absolutely no relationship to it. I must be hallucinating and absolutely not answering to you but to some completely different thread. Because I was writing about Facebook, while you..... wrote about Instagram.....

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by queenkjuul »

pino83 wrote: post #527
queenkjuul wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you respond to the wrong comment? I don't use Facebook. I have a text message group chat with my friends where occasionally links to Instagram get posted. That's why i occasionally interact with Instagram, and why i asked if you have such a group chat

Sry, I just forgot that Instagram is completely and absolutely not Facebook and has absolutely no relationship to it. I must be hallucinating and absolutely not answering to you but to some completely different thread. Because I was writing about Facebook, while you..... wrote about Instagram.....

I mean the comment doesn't make much sense regardless, but they are indeed separate platforms under the same owner, having a Facebook account grants you no access to Instagram. I have accounts with neither.

And you still just won't answer my question, so whatever, screw you then. Bye

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by Ferret7446 »

kmoser wrote: post #329
dcminter wrote: post #231

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eBay stops me from typing in the thing I want to search for so they can try to persuade me to use the app that I have expressed zero interest in for a decade or so. Guys, I'm trying to press money into your thieving little hands - why are you trying to stop me?

They see it as a win because you've still been using their site for a decade now, and every time they advertise their app there's still a non-zero chance you'll relent, but if they stop pushing their app, that chance drops to zero. The only winning move is not to play.

The winning move is to achieve inner peace and to stop being bothered by the many imperfections of reality. I've been much happier after realizing that I am not the heroic savior of the universe.
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