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Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by jerlam »

ssl-3 wrote: post #459
jerlam wrote: post #307

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It's probably part of the initial franchise standards, required and signed off by the fast food corporation. Or the shopping center design. We know as a society, that we need garbage cans, so they are budgeted for and installed. But owners are always looking for ways to save money. If the garbage can works fine, it gets maintained. But if it gets hit by a car, or the wind blows it away, it might not be at the top of…

Every single time we interact, it becomes increasingly clear that you aren't picking up my words at all. I feel like I'm chatting with ChatGPT 3, as I was years ago when it would just articulately weasel its way around everything I asked with a profundity of deflective nonsense in response to any query. Or at least: That's what it did when it wasn't confidently introducing hallucinations as rote facts. > It's probabl…

I thought that was obvious. Stores specify garbage cans outside for the convenience of their customers. People generate trash, especially while eating. But also when they buy stuff. So we have garbage cans so they don't have to carry it with them, and the trash is contained. But they're not entirely necessary, just like public bathrooms.

We seem to be just talking past each other, so maybe we should just agree to stop wasting each other's time.

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Post by crote »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #445
ajmurmann wrote: post #439

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So anyone who has LSD on them gets life in prison? Sounds expensive. Is that how other countries have avoided having this many visible homeless? Any concerns about police placing drugs on someone if punishment is this harsh?

Yeah, that is actually how a lot of countries in Asia have handled the problem

So how come incarceration in Asia is orders of magnitude lower than in the US?

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Post by mstaoru »

lovich wrote: post #202
mstaoru wrote: post #94

This really hits home. As a person with IBS I basically cannot peacefully go outside in EU. I lived for many years in China and Thailand, and toilets are free, clean, and plentiful there, and you can easily ask any place to use their toilet - there's no stigma. I even had to run into a police station in rural China once. They were 100% chill about it, though they had to unlock a gate for me. Xi Jinping really will be…

> Then take any shopping mall in Bangkok That is an extremely small subset of Thailand. I wouldn’t surprised if high end malls in any western capital city also had good toilets. Most toilets outside of malls in Thailand were bring your own soap and toilet paper and covered in water from the bum guns.

Where I live in EU, the biggest mall's toilet (single) is paid and not great.

Toilet (also single) at the train station (that sees 500k+ volume per day) is 1.5€, and also not great. At least it takes a card.

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Post by defrost »

Gud wrote: post #474
ipaddr wrote: post #458

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Its true im many places. First generation hard working. Second generation lives in the inprint of the first generation. Third generation has no connection to the original homeland and tries to find connection or it turns to antisocial behaviour.

The first generation could hardly be classified as “hard working”, the sad fact is many of them live on (generous) welfare.

You only have to look at Trump; third generation immigrant.

His grandfather made his fortune by operating a restaurant and a brothel for miners in Whitehorse during the Gold Rush years, his father compounded that with an actual real estate 'empire' and the grandson 'earnt' money via dodgy wealth transfer schemes and sank much of it into get rich quick scams and branding deals based on fraudulent representation and money laundering, now leading the country in historic levels of open corruption.

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Post by DarkNova6 »

mstaoru wrote: post #94

This really hits home. As a person with IBS I basically cannot peacefully go outside in EU. I lived for many years in China and Thailand, and toilets are free, clean, and plentiful there, and you can easily ask any place to use their toilet - there's no stigma. I even had to run into a police station in rural China once. They were 100% chill about it, though they had to unlock a gate for me. Xi Jinping really will be…

Which EU countries do you talk about? Because I've never seen anything like this

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Post by fragmede »

thayne wrote: post #363
slg wrote: post #276

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The problem regarding putting mentally ill people in asylums is who gets to decide who is mentally ill? I mean that's literally incarcerating people for thoughtcrime. If people have committed no crime, how can we justify taking away their freedom?

Ideally we would have a way for people who can't take care of themselves, or hold a job to be taken care of that isn't effectively putting them in prison. Mental "asylums" that were almost as bad (and sometimes worse) than prisons is clearly bad. But just leaving people to live on the streets or end up in actual prisons isn't strictly better. I'm not saying we should bring back the asylums, at least the way they were…

Bring them back! Yes they were bad and got abused, but not doing them is worse. Bring them back, spend so much money on them that the abuses of the system are monitored tracked reported and fixed and then fire the people who abuse the system. That takes political capital and will that doesn't exist, but the Overton window isn't going to move in its own.

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Post by vkou »

db48x wrote: post #456
vkou wrote: post #394

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I assure you, if they stopped spending that money tomorrow, things would get dramatically worse, as all the people that money keeps off the streets would be on them.

Spending less money more efficiently would not make the problem worse.

But currently housed people becoming street homeless would.

Unless you mean to say that you don't care either way if they do.

(If your value system places zero value on that, then my value system places positive value on spending your money on things you very explicitly don't value.)

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Post by crote »

mvdtnz wrote: post #308
justin66 wrote: post #257

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> I guess if you don’t have a massive population of antisocial people who destroy the public facility, you can provide them. It’s a shame we in the west surrendered that. What a weird way of stating the problem. There is too large a population of homeless, mentally ill, and drug addicts wandering the streets. We didn't surrender anything, at least not during the last half century in the United States. We did as littl…

We in the west have surrendered with weak punishments and lax enforcement for anti social behaviour. In many cases even abolishing laws or putting in place public policy that prevents the imprisonment of people who commit "low level" crimes. There's a certain segment of the population who will (largely unsuccessfully) try to shame you if you promote a tough on crime approach. In my country the entire justice system h…

So how come the weak-on-crime Western European countries are not drowning in homeless drug addicts?

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Post by vintermann »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #447
ajmurmann wrote: post #439

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So anyone who has LSD on them gets life in prison? Sounds expensive. Is that how other countries have avoided having this many visible homeless? Any concerns about police placing drugs on someone if punishment is this harsh?

It is pretty much how China has handled it. It seems like it does actually work if your goal is to fully eliminate drug issues, but it's unacceptably harsh for most countries to palate.

A quick check suggests the penalty for possession is 3 years in prison, not life. No idea if that is a maximum sentence.

From what I can find, it looks like China does a lot of what the US does, including DARE style education, and that there is still (by Chinese accounts) quite a lot of illegal drug use.

I would think that since China is very nationalist and still fairly collectivist/anti-individualist, and has a grim history of drugs being used as a tool of foreign imperialism (the opium wars), drug use is much further out of the social "Overton window". I think that's a better explanation for apparently lower drug use than harsh punishments, because other states also have those (notably the US!)

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Post by crote »

throwawayffffas wrote: post #232
Avicebron wrote: post #193

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What I want to know is if anyone can identify when exactly the homeless issue became so bad. It was already a problem when I lived in the Bay, and when I moved back to the East Coast it had been 10 years in the making (conveniently when I was away). Clearly there a some sharp lines that can be drawn somewhere. But it's hard to get some actual answers. Edit: rough clauding indicates it was when fentanyl took off, but…

When it became unfashionable to put mentally ill people in asylums. The additional fashion of "giving local people a voice" in construction projects planning did not help either.

It became unfashionable when the general public realized it was also commonly used to, say, lock up and lobotomize women for wanting to vote, or divorce their husband.

Your child is "difficult"? To the asylum it is!

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