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iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Using icloud.com domain for legit and hidden adresses is such a typical Apple strategy of holding their own users and "others" (ie. other web services, other users etc) hostage simultaneously. But at least here it is actually a good reason that works for the user.

how is the user being held hostage? you can redirect hide my email addresses to any domain

I think the other answers are misinterpreting your question. A user is held "hostage" because unlike fastmail where the format is word.salad@yourdomain; if you ever wanted to ditch iCloud completely, you'd have to go through every single account you used it for and update the email. As someone who has shed his gmail account I can tell you it's not easy to update email address on every site you've ever used it on. The issue people are raising is that apple doesn't let you use your own domain, and generate random emails at that domain. Not my complaint, but I can see the perspective.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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They still don't let me install uBlock origin + noscript. Whitelisting per-domain and per-site what can run Javascript does more for my privacy than anything else, and I can do that with firefox on linux and android, but on iOS I'm not allowed to install firefox. There's obviously no real technical limitation since if you live in the EU you can sideload an alternative browser in theory (though apple has made it unrea…

ublock origin is supported by Safari

ublock origin _lite_

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

I also can't use Safari because I want my tabs and bookmarks to sync between my desktop machine (linux) and my phone (iOS), and Safari is the only major browser which can't do that.

Not to mention Safari is just an inferior browser which seems possibly designed to hold back Progressive Web Apps so that everyone has to make app-store apps and tithe a percent of all profits to apple.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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I’ve never been under the impression that privacy relay is anything like a true VPN. I mostly thought it stopped BS that happens on public WiFi and public sniffing. It’s meant to protect you only until you get to a major carriers infrastructure.

It is a VPN in the sense that your traffic flows privately through a third party. This is what most people refer to when they say VPN. It is not a VPN only in the technical approach.

It's something of a "private relay", you might say.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#94

this opens some crazy "apple developer" dialog on my mac rather than a web page. I had to crank up chrome to read it. And it makes no sense, I have no clue what a sign on with apple address is. I guess I'm glad my hide my email addresses won't change because that would be a PITA.

You have the developer app installed. It does seem to be deep linking wrong.

Sign in with Apple email addresses are email addresses for the Sign in with Apple button.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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They still don't let me install uBlock origin + noscript. Whitelisting per-domain and per-site what can run Javascript does more for my privacy than anything else, and I can do that with firefox on linux and android, but on iOS I'm not allowed to install firefox. There's obviously no real technical limitation since if you live in the EU you can sideload an alternative browser in theory (though apple has made it unrea…

They also don’t allow you to install Windows executables. They do allow you to run adblockers designed for Safari, like Wipr, and there are any number of noscript-alikes, like StopTheScript. I’m not saying that to be snarky, but to say that different platforms have different ways of doing things. And Firefox is in the iOS App Store. I know what you meant to say, and that it’s not the same as Firefox on Android, but i…

Since Apple specifically disallows using other web engines on the App Store, I have bad news for you : Firefox on the App Store is just a reskinned safari and as such, a lot of features cannot be implemented because they depend on the web rendering engine.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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They also don’t allow you to install Windows executables. They do allow you to run adblockers designed for Safari, like Wipr, and there are any number of noscript-alikes, like StopTheScript. I’m not saying that to be snarky, but to say that different platforms have different ways of doing things. And Firefox is in the iOS App Store. I know what you meant to say, and that it’s not the same as Firefox on Android, but i…

Since Apple specifically disallows using other web engines on the App Store, I have bad news for you : Firefox on the App Store is just a reskinned safari and as such, a lot of features cannot be implemented because they depend on the web rendering engine.

That would be news to me if it wasn’t what I already said, that iOS Firefox isn’t the same as Android Firefox.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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I configured about a dozen domains to have MX records for the mailinator disposable inbox service for about a decade for free as a gift and the domains were toxic for any other email use case for years afterwards… they were so abused you couldn’t even sign up for most web services with any email associated by the time I stopped renewing them… there are still GitHub lists of disposable email addresses that list to bla…

The reason it's toxic is because the Venn diagram between disposable email addresses and email addresses used for CSAM is a circle: If you accept disposable email and allow users to upload anything, you will have CSAM. Whereas a Fastmail masked email or iCloud relay is still in the backend tied to your real account and identity which means it provides privacy generally for you but is traceable enough that it is unapp…

Why CSAM specifically? Isn’t it mostly going to be just vanilla fraud?

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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This is a huge selling point. Private email relays often get blocked, the only lasting solution is to put them on the same domain as, and in the same format as, a significant number of non-private email addresses. As far as I’m aware the only other provider doing this is Fastmail. Comments about lock-in aren’t wrong, but it has to be this way. You can make arbitrary email addresses at your own domain, but anybody who…

Indeed, Proton’s passmail are sometimes not accepted sadly.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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This is a huge selling point. Private email relays often get blocked, the only lasting solution is to put them on the same domain as, and in the same format as, a significant number of non-private email addresses. As far as I’m aware the only other provider doing this is Fastmail. Comments about lock-in aren’t wrong, but it has to be this way. You can make arbitrary email addresses at your own domain, but anybody who…

Totally agree with unique at own domain isn't actually privacy. It wouldn't take much of a paper trail to work out the details. I continue to use it everywhere for a few reasons: - if someone emails me acting all friendly like we've had some previous relationship but it's sent to linked@mydomain or github@mydomain I know they've just scraped my contact details and it's spam - similarly, if a vendor leaks or sells my…

> - similarly, if a vendor leaks or sells my data and I start receiving marketing from somewhere I don't expect it's easier to trace the source of the leak (and in some cases just blackhole that entire email address)

This is exactly why I do it, it's eye opening to see exactly which companies leaked your address. As a result of being able to blackhole the leaked addresses I no longer get any spam, the Dvorak dream.

I actually caught a company outright selling my address to AWS of all places, I didn't even know Amazon purchased mailing lists.

AWS were crafty because they didn't directly sell a service, they only offered "resources" for "business leaders" because they knew nothing about what I might need.

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Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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The reason it's toxic is because the Venn diagram between disposable email addresses and email addresses used for CSAM is a circle: If you accept disposable email and allow users to upload anything, you will have CSAM. Whereas a Fastmail masked email or iCloud relay is still in the backend tied to your real account and identity which means it provides privacy generally for you but is traceable enough that it is unapp…

Why CSAM specifically? Isn’t it mostly going to be just vanilla fraud?

Disposable mail providers generate a ton of spam too, but CSAM is illegal to host, so it's pretty risky to allow them unmitigated.
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