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Oceans hit highest temperature on record

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Post by boxed »

worik wrote: post #324
pfisch wrote: post #173

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The eu is stupid for not engaging in active climate engineering right now. They are the most at risk and should take decisive action before they end up living in a glacier. All the downvotes are just showing why no action is being taken even though right now we are literally terraforming the planet with no plan, and it is going to stop the transatlantic currents that keep Europe from becoming arctic. But sure, just d…

What could possibly go wrong?

...with the current approach? We already know. It's bad.

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Post by eightysixfour »

estearum wrote: post #300
consumer451 wrote: post #288

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I agree with you. We are actually at huge risk. "Western Civilization" rose out of our stable European climate and that is over now. However, we need a global consensus for geoengineering. That's just how that works... the Jet Stream. Meanwhile one country believes that global warming is a benefit, aka Russia. They currently appear to have control of the West.. so what in the actual f? For a far more dire diatribe: h…

Global consensus would be great, but "reliable mechanism" would be a decent start. In lieu of that, there's nothing to build consensus around.

Atmospheric sulfur seems to be the "default."

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Post by thelastgallon »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #318
thelastgallon wrote: post #313

With the growth in solar, it is easy to think that we can solve it, we just do more renewables, but the decline of fossil fuels is negligible: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:share:7438918221... Globally, fossil fuels supply 81.1% today (2023). Only marginally down from 81.4% in 2000. Fossil fuels are not on track to end by 2050. But rather in 4-10 centuries.

Solar + wind were 99% of new generation capacity last year. Fossil fuel usage dropped for one of the first times ever. Renewables generated more than coal. Solar installation is huge and the increase continues to accelerate. Every year has seen a record amount of installed solar. Solar started at zero two decades ago and is already curbing other sources.

That 99% may be just Australia and not the entire world? There seems to be a ton of new coal and gas plants still coming online, 95% of them in China and India. 100 GW of new coal plants and 100 GW of gas. There are probably ~1000 gas plants in the pipeline just in US for data centers. And a ton more onsite gas turbines, like Musks Colossus DC, 1GW of compute powered by gas turbines.

From: https://www.carbonbrief.org/new-coal-plants-hit-10-year-glob...

> In 2025, coal-capacity growth hit a 10-year high, with 97 gigawatts (GW) of new power

> The number of new coal-fired power plants built around the world hit a “10-year high” in 2025

> It adds that 95% of the new coal plants were built in India and China.

> 70% of the coal-fired units scheduled to retire globally in 2025 did not do so

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Post by drawnwren »

Muromec wrote: post #246
pfisch wrote: post #173

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The eu is stupid for not engaging in active climate engineering right now. They are the most at risk and should take decisive action before they end up living in a glacier. All the downvotes are just showing why no action is being taken even though right now we are literally terraforming the planet with no plan, and it is going to stop the transatlantic currents that keep Europe from becoming arctic. But sure, just d…

Western democracies at this point can't do anything at that even hints at minimally inconveniencing 5% of the population. Any 5% at that. We are stuck in local maximum even if it slowly and surely slides into the shitter

If you look at the derivatives, there is no change a Western Democracy can make that will matter as this plays out.

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Post by jurip »

noosphr wrote: post #209
vkou wrote: post #136

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> It's funny that environmentalists would rather see the world burn than solve all emissions problems with nuclear. This criticism would hold more weight if environmentalists held a shred of power. They aren't the ones at the steering wheel.

They had enough power to close down all the nuclear power plants in Germany.

Or, perhaps, them not being in power, it wasn't them who shut them down?

I'm sure they influenced the policy and were happy (and wrong) about it, but they were in the opposition, and had been for several years.

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Post by Mawr »

legitster wrote: post #164
ch4s3 wrote: post #55

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Data centers use no more than 1.5% of electricity globally[1], and a long LLM query uses only a little more than 5 minutes of general laptop use ~3x the energy of running an LED light for 5 minutes. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/how-much-energy-do-data-centers-a...

When all is said and done, data centers are going to be complimentary to green energy. They can spin up and down to buffer non-linear power nodes. They also represent investment in economic growth that doesn't come from resource extraction or travel or manufacturing.

> They can spin up and down

Nope. Every moment that hardware is not ran is wasted money that could have been used to buy something else that's actually productive.

Secondary effects like depreciation make this phenomenom even stronger. You've only got a few years to exploit any given piece of hardware before it's obsoleted by newer, more efficient hardware.

That's why any hardware investment with a high upfront cost operates as close to 24/7 as possible — nuclear power plants, factories. Continuous operation amortizes the costs as well as possible.

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Post by jvwww »

floro wrote: post #100

The biggest lie we're being told in the west is that we have a hand in climate change. China produces 60% of global Co2. When you look at the graph, Europe isn't even visible. If we truly cared about climate change we would stop buying from China. But we all know this won't ever happen because we don't really care enough. It's just virtue signaling. Buy an AC you're not saving the planet by sweating your ass off.

The West just outsources pollution to China.

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Post by intended »

socalgal2 wrote: post #327
lovich wrote: post #206

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I would have agreed with you on giving credit but we did an about face in the last 2 years and now are spending billions of dollars to pay off companies that were already building renewables because we failed when trying to just illegally cancel them[1] We’re not letting the market handle it and we’re going in a backwards direction. Can’t really crow about our accomplishments given that. [1] https://www.theguardian.c…

Cancelling those contracts *IS* letting the market decide The RWE paid 1.26 billion to acquire the lease on offshore wind. Payment is a refund. Further, offshore wind is expensive in terms of maintenance. Stopping the project now is protecting billions in expenses in the future.

> Stopping the project now is protecting billions in expenses in the future

?

All power plants have maintenance charges. Unless I missed something, this statement is a non sequitur.

On top of that, Wind is practically free compared to the maintenance and running coats of other options.

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Post by Mawr »

Muromec wrote: post #252
abrezas wrote: post #68

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You are looking at the acceleration but without looking at the initial state. A more fair metric would be Co2 emissions/person and I’m getting USA 14.3 t, China 8.8 t, EU 5.5 t, India 2.2 t

The only relevant metric is ppm in the atmosphere. Every single other, especially per capita ones are distructioo

Clever plan!

1. Get rich from cheap coal

2. Pull up the ladder behind you

I'm sure everyone will comply.

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Post by fchicken »

pfisch wrote: post #173
neom wrote: post #10

BBC did a pretty good deep dive a few days ago on what we're in for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xZCh8eDZFc DW also, similar stuff, but the guest is quite good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcl5Mn373Oc Anton Petrov covered it from a much more science lens a couple months back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRoU3whzX_Q

The eu is stupid for not engaging in active climate engineering right now. They are the most at risk and should take decisive action before they end up living in a glacier. All the downvotes are just showing why no action is being taken even though right now we are literally terraforming the planet with no plan, and it is going to stop the transatlantic currents that keep Europe from becoming arctic. But sure, just d…

Spoken as if climate engineering were an established science with no potential pitfalls or downsides...
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