OpenAI is getting its butt kicked by Anthropic on user growth. This appears to be a calculation that while burning more cash will hurt, continuing to fall behind on users will hurt more and may even be fatal to the company’s prospects moving forward.
OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)
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#292OpenAI is getting its butt kicked by Anthropic on user growth. This appears to be a calculation that while burning more cash will hurt, continuing to fall behind on users will hurt more and may even be fatal to the company’s prospects moving forward.
I'd love to have a source with those numbers please. They're not publicly traded companies so it's very difficult to find reliable information.
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#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
China is still quite far from monopolizing hardware production
Can you buy a laptop or phone not made in china, not made from parts from china? At a regular store not some weird nerd laptop for normies.
China doesn’t produce the chips that AI runs on.
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#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
China is still quite far from monopolizing hardware production
Can you buy a laptop or phone not made in china, not made from parts from china? At a regular store not some weird nerd laptop for normies.
Can you name one with parts ONLY made in China? Not Taiwan, not Vietnam, but China proper?
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#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
The evidence is Anthropic's own reporting [1]. You may doubt that they're telling the truth, but that's what they're reporting. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-dist...
I'm supposed to believe that DeepSeek distilled a 300B-1T param model with 150,000 requests? Lol.
Are you thinking distillation goes from zero to complete model?
I believe it can be used in the RL / fine tuning sense, in which case 150,000 requests, assuming every one was detected, could move the needle in quality.
I agree it couldn’t replace all of pre and post training , but I don’t think that’s the claim. You do typical training, then distill really difficult cases.
Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
The evidence is Anthropic's own reporting [1]. You may doubt that they're telling the truth, but that's what they're reporting. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-dist...
"Distillation attacks", and it's just the exact same thing they did to the rest of the web and all human works.
Explain “exact same thing”? Like it load the Wikipedia page for Fort Worth, Texas, does it make Wikipedia spin up an editor to go write the article?
I’m really not sure how you’re getting “exact” here.
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#297Absolutely loving this price war, long live open source models.
> long live open source models There are no open source models, at least not useful ones (yet) [0]. Open weight is not the same as open source. The current "open weight" models are just opaque binary blobs you can run on your own computer instead of through a web API. [0] https://allenai.org/
Was about to object, then realized you linked Allen ai and had the useful caveat. For what it's worth the OpenMDW license, which Nemotron and a few others have adopted, does say model weight.
That said, I've noticed the training procedures and corpus size of more useful open/available weights models are settling down more than I expected. Wonder if crowd sourcing good training data, even if it's just expensive model coding session transcripts, has potential to level the landscape some.
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#298The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…
Hmm, don't people think that if the frontier labs really put enough engineering effort into preventing distillation that they would be able to do that, or at least diminish it significantly? I'm sure there are variety of additional techniques they could use on top of what they already do, but I suspect it just hasn't been at the top of their priorities yet. Maybe that will change soon. Worst case they could add addit…
Well, do you think perfect copy protection is possible?
Same problem: if humans can see the output, it can be copied.
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
China is still quite far from monopolizing hardware production
Can you buy a laptop or phone not made in china, not made from parts from china? At a regular store not some weird nerd laptop for normies.
The fact that the goalpost is moving is a clear sign China is losing its hardware dominance. 5-10 years ago you would have specified not Made/Assembled in China (which is very easy to find nowadays, e.g. Samsung Galaxy, Google Pixel, even iPhones).
Can you buy a phone/laptop with no parts from USA/Japan/Netherlands/Taiwan/South Korea?
Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)
#300The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…
Altman specifically has said in an interview that I listened to once that he envisions AI being as cheap as electricity.
And that it will be just another utility, like electricity.