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Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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What's wrong about syringe disposal? A significant portion of population has diabetes. And even if a drug addict uses it, still better than throwing to the trash, similar to how cigarette disposals are mandatory in typical airplanes.

Diabetics use short needle subcutaneous syringes that can be recapped and disposed of later. They have to have their insulin stored somewhere, which is just as suitable for a used syringe.

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Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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I’m not sure it’s a regression really If you look at a graph of the world population it’s seems clear to me that freely available common resources are just going to continue to get overused and ruined as we continue to add people to the equation

Surely bathrooms are something we can produce faster than the rate at which population increases.

people can destroy things faster than you can build or even maintain them is the problem.

it's mean to identify the certain people or hold them accountable, though, so we don't.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Strange "For the Classroom" question. Men seeking same-sex encounters transformed the pissoir into something its planners never intended. Who ultimately determines the meaning of a public space: its designers, authorities, or the people who use it? The law determines that public space can't be used for any sexual activity. I'm not sure what constructive classroom discussion you can have when the example is based on t…

>The law determines that public space can't be used for any sexual activity.

When it's one person, true, but when it's a population, the politics historically changes and the law accedes to pressure to stop enforcing that determination.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Lack of bathrooms has been called tragedy of the commons in this thread, but it's not the "commons" that are the problem. The worst 10% of society determine what we can and can't have. The "commons" aren't having public sex, shooting up drugs, or destroying the bathrooms with lack of... etiquette. The commons are victimized when these things happen and then there's eventually no choice but to shut them down unless th…

It's because 50% of voters are choosing to decriminalize laws and make everything into the oppression olympics. California legislature just proposed allowing 'crimes of necessity' this week. We can't have nice things now because crimes are not enforced/prosecuted and there are no consequences. We're moving from a high trust to low trust society in rapid time.

People who vote in favor of these soft on crime polices should be required to provide a room in their home to these people they want to keep out of jail.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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What worries you about the boot marks specifically?

Is this a serious question? Maybe people don't want to put their bare ass down on filthy bootprints.

Well that first guy didn’t want to put his butt where other guy’s butts have been, that’d be pretty gross.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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We'll spend a trillion dollars bombing people halfway around the world that never meant us any harm, but paying a custodian to clean a public toilet (and providing help for those that might misuse it) is a bridge too far.

> We'll spend a trillion dollars bombing people halfway around the world that never meant us any harm While I'm sure the US has bombed a significant number of such people, I wouldn't call Iran as 'never meant us any harm' (though I'll still say the current war is a stupid mistake).

Brother Iran isn't the US's first rodeo in the middle east

https://www.brown.edu/news/2021-09-01/costsofwar

The actual number is 8 trillion

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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I never understood this: 1.) restrooms for paying customers only 2.) defecating/urinating in public illegal How can both be true at the same time? I really hate how adversarial our society has become.

Call it an informal institution to push homeless away but without worry about way to define them, like you'd deny on a sign - a word for homeless doesn't do it, it's not a single flag that marks someone as an undesirable.

[1] is apparently how society converges on an assumption you're engaged in business as a customer, employee, or entrepreneur, then everything is accessible to you.

[2] is the check to make sure people excluded in [1] are punished for using the commons instead of a sanitary location.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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I guess if you don’t have a massive population of antisocial people who destroy the public facility, you can provide them. It’s a shame we in the west surrendered that. Not the worst thing in the world, but I do find it frustrating often to not have a bathroom available nearby (small bladder) But, while the toilets aren’t the worst sacrifice, the cumulative sacrifices made on the alter of our huge antisocial populati…

> I guess if you don’t have a massive population of antisocial people who destroy the public facility, you can provide them. It’s a shame we in the west surrendered that. What a weird way of stating the problem. There is too large a population of homeless, mentally ill, and drug addicts wandering the streets. We didn't surrender anything, at least not during the last half century in the United States. We did as littl…

> We did as little as possible to deal with homelessness and mental illness

SF would beg to differ. They have a budget of $100k per homeless person. They can't solve the problem because the problem is not money

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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People have no choice but to smear feces on the wall and leave needles on the floor of public restrooms, or urinate inside a moving bus because housing is too expensive? Housing and wealth inequality is an undeniable issue. So is anti-social behaviour. You can be poor and even homeless without throwing self-respect out of the window. People are either responsible for their actions, in which case criminal and civil ch…

When the social contract fails you, why pay any regard to it at all? It's not a matter of pure, exogenous choice to do those things. It's not some abstract preference that surviving in the margins has afforded the freedom to exercise. It's a way to make sense out of the world and to have some shred of a sense of agency in a world where a person otherwise has no power.

>It's a way to make sense out of the world and to have some shred of a sense of agency in a world where a person otherwise has no power.

Wouldn't poo-cassos be better framed in an institution cell away from the other 90% of society? That way they can get the mental support they need and rebuild their agency. If you don't have agency, you need conservators to help you address it. For children, those are parents. For adults, that's the state.

Otherwise we're admitting participation in a society is pure benefit without any responsibilities.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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This has very little to do with public amenities. It has everything to do with toleration of homelessness and drug use. I don't understand why the west tolerates it at all.

I'm genuinely concerned to ask what you're proposing? Drug use is already unlawful, and the homeless are routinely criminalized for existing - so if that is "tolerate" then what proposals are you trying to promote?

I'm sure he meant removing the profit incentives from the pharmaceutical and housing industries, disentangling cartels like the Sacklers from the politicians they own, in general tolerating the Epstein class
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