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OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by eigenspace »

navaed01 wrote: post #258
eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

How much of this ability to replicate is down to the openness of the science community and the paper on transformers being accessible by anyone?

Even if the transformer paper wasnt published, the info would have diffused out eventually.

Its not that wild of an idea. It's not like e.g. chipmaking where even just knowing how things are done doesnt mean you can copy it.

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Post by GMoromisato »

qlte wrote: post #260
GMoromisato wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yours is the only valid argument. If space datacenters are not competitive with terrestrial (in terms of megatokens/$ or whatever), then they will never work and SpaceX will fail. That's the whole ball game. But anyone who thinks they can predict those prices in ten years is wildly overconfident.

> then they will never work and SpaceX will fail Or, Elon pulls his classic narrative sleight of hand for like the 9th time and announces SpaceXesla is NOT a car, battery, solar, self-driving, robot, space launch, space datacenter, or AI company but now completely pivoting the business to [INSERT NEXT BIG THING] that will 100x the company in 6 months maybe, 6 years definitely. Space Datacenters eventually get quietly…

Are you saying that if space datacenters fail then SpaceX stock will go up? Then it sounds like you should invest a lot of money in them.

ETA: If you had invested $1,000 in 2016 when Tesla Roof was announced, you'd have $25,000 today. 25x return in 10 years.

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Post by TZubiri »

eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

OpenAI implemented measures to reduce reverse engineering, following the Anthropic lead.

They disabled the temperature and seed parameters. There's still logprobs, so they aren't as closed up as Anthropic yet.

I might write about an article of the history of LLM APIs, I used to think the ChatGPT was going to be a de facto standard like intel's 80866 mutated into x86, but it seems to be a bit more nuanced and diverse than that, vibecoding introduced so much complexity because the vibecoding product itself became vibecoded so the enshittification was accelerated, many such cases.

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Post by silverwind »

dbbk wrote: post #240
rootusrootus wrote: post #77

Good timing. I'm not too happy having to pay MAX pricing to even access Fable, and I've had a couple situations where Fable missed things and GPT 5.6-Sol caught it. My needs are modest and I can get by on a $20 OpenAI subscription, so the odds are starting to look increasingly like I'm going to drop Anthropic altogether.

There is no model that is never going to miss something.

It's possible to drive them hard enough to really read everything, but you have to go really hard on them with many many cycles.

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Post by Gigachad »

tshaddox wrote: post #231
datadrivenangel wrote: post #227

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ask it what type of model it is or what it's name is... it's weird that Kimi will say it's claude...

Okay, but I would also ask “why does Claude say that its name is Claude?”

Because it's in the system prompt

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Post by Gigachad »

v64 wrote: post #198
colingauvin wrote: post #55

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Where is the actual evidence of distillation? I keep seeing this repeated ad nauseam but I must have somehow missed the evidence.

The evidence is Anthropic's own reporting [1]. You may doubt that they're telling the truth, but that's what they're reporting. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-dist...

"Distillation attacks", and it's just the exact same thing they did to the rest of the web and all human works.

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Post by Gigachad »

aliasxneo wrote: post #86
cyanydeez wrote: post #39

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America is pretty close to rhyming with nazi germany circa 1929.

Ok, I'll bite. What's your rationale?

Flock powered surveillance state that sends ICE goons to kill random people in areas where there is any resistance to the regime.

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Post by JacobAsmuth »

retinaros wrote: post #174
JacobAsmuth wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/30/elon-musk-testifies-that-x... Make sure to stay updated!

Nothing against what I said in there. Distillation is far from enough to get to the frontier. Its at best a ramp (the most efficient one used by everyone ) that shortcut and saves millions of rl runs before a model moves.

"No evidence" -> Large lab saying that they use distillation when training their models

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Post by novok »

eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

Meh distillation doesn't mean you can create an existing model from scratch of similar quality. It's the AI equivalent of making a VHS copy of a video, it doesn't enable you to make your own movies very well and post training is the equivalent of video editing, which again, doesn't let you make your own movies very well.

Your seeing the AI labs respond by never publishing chain of thought now and in the future, I see them not even publishing their top models as a general purpose API and instead using it to drive their own AI apps, which will obscure even more model output. Anthropic Mythos was internal only for many months for example.

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Post by raincole »

eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

> The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled

They're not, right? If it's really easy why there are no counterparts of DeepSeek from the Europe or Japan?

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