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Oceans hit highest temperature on record

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Re: Oceans hit highest temperature on record

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Post by aqfamnzc »

keybored wrote: post #93
locallost wrote: post #40

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I don't want to criticize you, but a question: what are you doing in practice to change something? Is your carbon footprint below what is sustainable? Let's look at me: I don't own a car, live in a smaller town, move around mostly on foot, take public transportation, long distance mostly train. I have two kids and for years my electricity total was 1500kwh a year. Last year it was 1100kwh (heating is gas though, that…

> Is your carbon footprint below what is sustainable? What a waste of time this is. Carbon footprint? Zero-emission homes? The climate is global and the balance sheet is spread across all of us. Someone with a disability might have much more use for cars and transporation than someone who is able-bodied. And homes out in the boonies without much sun (for solar power) might need a diesel generator for their three-time…

I don't think GP is trying to say they're so much better than the rest. Their point is that the majority of earth-dwellers, including their own relatively climate-conscious lifestyle, are not (and are not willing to) do nearly enough to meaningfully affect the situation.

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Post by jamiek88 »

ch4s3 wrote: post #78
conception wrote: post #65

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So you’re saying we could significantly cut energy use globally by limiting data center build outs? 1.5% is a //huge// amount. If it was a “drop” in your bucket, it would only hold 67 more of those drops.

No, I'm not saying that and I don't think 1.5% is particularly large. Moreover many of these projects are built out with on site 0 carbon generation so they're in some ways a net benefit.

Link some zero carbon ones if there are ‘many’.

Re: Oceans hit highest temperature on record

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Post by pfisch »

neom wrote: post #10

BBC did a pretty good deep dive a few days ago on what we're in for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xZCh8eDZFc DW also, similar stuff, but the guest is quite good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcl5Mn373Oc Anton Petrov covered it from a much more science lens a couple months back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRoU3whzX_Q

The eu is stupid for not engaging in active climate engineering right now. They are the most at risk and should take decisive action before they end up living in a glacier.

All the downvotes are just showing why no action is being taken even though right now we are literally terraforming the planet with no plan, and it is going to stop the transatlantic currents that keep Europe from becoming arctic.

But sure, just do nothing until Europe becomes an uninhabitable tundra and it is too late to take action. Great plan.

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

I often think of how much of government lethargy to climate change is because of miserable marketing like Greta thunburg yelling at a bunch of old EU bureaucrats or teenagers throwing paint at art or glueing themselves to highways.

There was too few “there are green technologies superior to the carbon based ones” (heat pumps got really good).

Well, there are two problem spaces - innovating ways to reduce emissions AND inventing new ways to help people cope with rising temperatures - and I hear very little about the second one despite the immediate humanitarian need for it

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Post by cdrnsf »

ch4s3 wrote: post #78
conception wrote: post #65

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So you’re saying we could significantly cut energy use globally by limiting data center build outs? 1.5% is a //huge// amount. If it was a “drop” in your bucket, it would only hold 67 more of those drops.

No, I'm not saying that and I don't think 1.5% is particularly large. Moreover many of these projects are built out with on site 0 carbon generation so they're in some ways a net benefit.

Like xAI's running gas generators non-stop?

Re: Oceans hit highest temperature on record

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Post by Robdel12 »

I always will think of how everyone laughed at Bernie Sanders' reply in ~2016 to "What is the greatest threat to national security" and he replied "Climate change".

It's going to get ugly when large swaths of the human population struggles to get food & clean water.

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Post by dofm »

conception wrote: post #65
ch4s3 wrote: post #55

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Data centers use no more than 1.5% of electricity globally[1], and a long LLM query uses only a little more than 5 minutes of general laptop use ~3x the energy of running an LED light for 5 minutes. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/how-much-energy-do-data-centers-a...

So you’re saying we could significantly cut energy use globally by limiting data center build outs? 1.5% is a //huge// amount. If it was a “drop” in your bucket, it would only hold 67 more of those drops.

That figure likely doesn't include crypto mining, either. That's another 0.5% or so.

0.5% is about the entire energy consumption of two Swedens or half a Thailand.

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Post by piva00 »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #90
abrezas wrote: post #68

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You are looking at the acceleration but without looking at the initial state. A more fair metric would be Co2 emissions/person and I’m getting USA 14.3 t, China 8.8 t, EU 5.5 t, India 2.2 t

> A more fair metric would be Co2 emissions/person and I’m getting We don't care about that notion of "fair": the cold hart truth is that China has 1.4 billon people. Another way to put it: China has one billion more people than there are in the US. Or another way to put it: 4.1x more people. Which means China is emitting nearly 3x more Co2 than the US. Our only hope is that China is using coal and fossil fuels only…

The EU has more people than the USA but emits 1/3 of the USA's, what's the exceptionalist excuse for that?

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Post by kombine »

https://world.hey.com/dhh/three-sacred-cows-that-must-die-so...

> Behind this climate hysteria is an even deeper delusion, though: that degrowth will deliver us all from the sins of modernity. That energy use in and of itself is suspect. That salvation will be delivered through abstinence. It's all nonsense.

Maybe slightly off-topic, but here a prominent figure in SV who now also got into Linux is mocking those concerned about climate change.

Re: Oceans hit highest temperature on record

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Post by ch4s3 »

hunter-gatherer wrote: post #143
ch4s3 wrote: post #78

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No, I'm not saying that and I don't think 1.5% is particularly large. Moreover many of these projects are built out with on site 0 carbon generation so they're in some ways a net benefit.

This is wildly out of touch with reality. Have you never seen a construction site? A 0 carbon generation site doesn't exist.

You know what’s meant by that, it refers to ongoing generation emissions.
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