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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by saturn8601 »

AngryData wrote: post #427
saturn8601 wrote: post #326

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That might be a mirage temporarily made reality by outsourcing defense to the US, manufacturing to China and the work required for GDP growth to refugees. All three will be going away sooner or later.

How is locally producing military equipment versus buying extremely expensive US uberl33t overkill hardware suppose to hurt the EU? It not like the US was just giving Europe free armaments. Yeah sure they won't be producing any F35s or million dollar per shot missiles, but was that a good idea to start with? Are they worth the money when once again lots of inexpensive arms are shown to be more useful in modern wars t…

Its really not that obvious to you? Because not having US bases on site and technology sharing and agreements takes money away from entitlements. France tried to cut entitlements by a tiny bit and the yellow vest movement was born. In the long run the Yellow Vests might end up losing everything as a result.

Regardless of the tech stack the work still needs to be done and now the EU has to do it. The Eu does not have infinite money, in fact they have less than the US so there will be cuts elsewhere.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by wongarsu »

palata wrote: post #435
m00x wrote: post #400

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I've lived in Taiwan for a large part of my life. They would lose all of TSMC if they do any military actions. It's not the fact that the CCP thinks that they can make Taiwan and China a country, it's the the fact that most of China does in fact consider them as one country. Taiwan is ready to defend themselves, but are very happy keeping their relationship with China the way it is.

Isn't there some kind of "if you invade us we bomb our strategic factories" strategy? Like "if we can't have them, nobody can"?

I think the plan is to defend, with allies motivated by the goal of saving TSMC facilities. If you destroy them the moment China declares war, Taiwanese allies might be much less invested

But at the same time everyone understands that the Taiwanese would destroy the facilities before they fall into Chinese hands

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by saturn8601 »

anon48293 wrote: post #432
saturn8601 wrote: post #326

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That might be a mirage temporarily made reality by outsourcing defense to the US, manufacturing to China and the work required for GDP growth to refugees. All three will be going away sooner or later.

Pretty sure almost every European would celebrate any of these things

If they did, they would have done it already. Instead when there was an attempt, some protested wearing yellow vests. There will be more. Whether or not the governments force the issue or they lose to the voters does not matter: Either way quality of life will suffer.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by andelink »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #424
applicative wrote: post #405

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The industrialization of USA comes after the civil war, thus long after e.g. Charles Dickens, to say nothing of Hamilton.

Hamilton set the strategic agenda. Do you want to argue that US industrialization didn't follow the broad strokes of this plan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_on_Manufactures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_(economics) Parallel: the industrialization of China for the most part happened after Deng Xiaoping, but are people wrong to credit him for setting the course?

I mean, Deng Xiaoping is/was a huge influence in _our_ lifetimes. It was only the 1970s, just fifty years ago, when he was effectively the head of state. That’s like yesterday. I’m not saying Hamilton doesn’t have the influence you’re describing, but it’s not really an equal comparison given the huge difference in timeframes. Late 1700s is a ways away vs the 70s.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by cgio »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #431
yieldcrv wrote: post #399

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Its the opposite China isn’t going to invade China until after we get our semiconductors up and running in Arizona for real (because US won’t have to think about that situation ever again) removing dependence imperils that island, CCP already has an EUV machine so the inevitable sanctions and export controls on ASML’s in Europe won’t matter either

It technically does not matter today. Sure the SOTA fabs only exist in a few places, but it’s not like a 2010/2015/2020 era chip is unusable trash. All of which are more geographically distributed.

For any critical workload a chip is considered trash after 5-7 years. They still run , of course, but increased incidents on platforms that are supposed to be 99.99 are hard to work with. Now if you mean there’s unused stock of those , that would maybe work, but I am not aware of significant unused stocks.

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Post by gpt5 »

runako wrote: post #421
bpfrh wrote: post #418

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Carbon credits where open to any companies, so it wasn't a unfair subsidy. EV incentives where also not limited to us companies.

Every country distorts its markets in different ways. It's still silly to pretend the US is free of these kinds of distortions.

That's just whataboutism that ignores the order of magnitude scale differences of the subsidies that were provided in China in the original comment.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by Grombobulous »

AngryData wrote: post #422
UltraSane wrote: post #397

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United States: 384 gCO2/kWh China: 525 gCO2/kWh https://ourworldindata.org/electricity-mix

But we do have to consider how the speed in which it is dropping. China uses about the same percentage of fossil fuels for energy production as the US right now, but more of it is coal so it is dirtier. However they are aggressively installing and promoting renewables and nuclear power, built themselves, and their pollution standards are rapidly increasing. While in the US renewable and nuclear investment is and has…

The fact that China is not that far above the US while being the world's factory and having 4x the population is pretty impressive.

And like you said, China is putting a real effort in. I don't see the US trying to reduce domestic short hop flights with electric high speed rail. I don't see the US trying to replace gasoline cars with EVs. I don't see the US curtailing structural incentivization of pickup trucks and SUVs.

The main US policy seems to be "spend trillions on wars for oil" rather than accepting the inevitable decline of oil and planning around it.

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Post by cindyllm »

preg_match wrote: post #393
holoduke wrote: post #310

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Gdp grew much faster in the US than in the EU. I believe the EU is the worst performer of the planet. No joke. And not surprising with the self destructive actions.

The GDP growing faster while quality of life doesn’t meaningfully improve is a bad, bad sign. It means we’re burning extra money just to stay afloat and break even. That’s worse than if the GDP didn’t grow.

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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by saturn8601 »

oblio wrote: post #437
saturn8601 wrote: post #326

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That might be a mirage temporarily made reality by outsourcing defense to the US, manufacturing to China and the work required for GDP growth to refugees. All three will be going away sooner or later.

Before outsourcing defense to the US... sorry, but have you ever read a history book? Europe was "exporting defense" around the world before the US got involved in the world wars :-)) Before outsourcing manufacturing to China Europe was making a third of all industrial things on this planet, so Europe will be just fine. > the work required for GDP growth to refugees I don't get this one. Do you think the European eco…

>Before outsourcing defense to the US... sorry, but have you ever read a history book? Europe was "exporting defense" around the world before the US got involved in the world wars :-))

And they will continue to do so. Just at a higher cost with no US to maintain bases and do technology cost sharing. That extra money has to come out from somewhere...it will be entitlements. Combine that with terrible demographics and that remaining manufacturing base will be built on a bed of sand. :)

>Before outsourcing manufacturing to China Europe was making a third of all industrial things on this planet, so Europe will be just fine.

Europe can insource everything that China makes. They are not stupid people. You mistake the benefit westerners got from outsourcing. It held back inflation in products because the value came from the living standards difference between chinese and EU people. Remove that disparity by bringing back everything and EU will be living with a lower quality of life because all those products will be significantly more expensive with no alternatives.

>I don't get this one. Do you think the European economy is propped up by refugees? I think there are 5 million of them in total in Europe, most of them Ukrainians and it's likely Ukraine will become a EU member at some point in the future...

Same point I have been making. The consequences of demographic collapse can be hidden away by having young tax paying peoples do the shit jobs that run the economy at low wages. Same thing the US does with illegal migrants. Remove that and the hidden costs are now dumped onto the population. Result: Lower living standards for those who remain.

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Post by wongarsu »

sailfast wrote: post #446
conception wrote: post #417

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Also the US has very publicly shown they don’t have the ability to effectively wage war over any period of time.

Yes and no. The Iran war is deeply unpopular and won’t even pass congressional approval for money. It’s being fought from pocket change budgets because they know they can’t pass a funding bill for it. Also not the same kind of war. Any period time? US waged war for 20+ years in Afghanistan. Pretty effectively! To what end? Not an end an army can really achieve so… there you are. But a war that might actually be popul…

And it'd be the kind of war the US is best at. Boots on the ground, against conventional military, with a civilian population that is on the side of the US forces

No guerilla warfare, no insurgents, no need for extended beyond-visual-range warfare that depletes missile stockpiles

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