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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by cromka »

turblety wrote: post #135
jeffbee wrote: post #37

Is raw perf considered Apple's moat? I think it's their software. I would buy a MacOS laptop even if the performance is ghastly ... in fact, I did: the MacBook Neo.

I don't like Apple as a company or how they act around locking people out of the devices they buy. I'm willing to pay double the cost of a MacBook Pro for anything that can run Linux, similar performance to M5, have a decent battery, good touchpad, be silent, have a good display, be light and portable. It doesn't exist. MacBook's simply have the best hardware, but terrible software/philosophy of software. So I'd say…

> I'm willing to pay double the cost of a MacBook Pro for anything that can run Linux, similar performance to M5, have a decent battery, good touchpad, be silent, have a good display, be light and portable.

This is Zenbook A16 right now, with recent patches posted to Linux ARM mailing list that support it in full.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by UltraSane »

Danox wrote: post #391
coliveira wrote: post #334

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> China that still seems acceptable China has made a tremendous effort to move to a clean(er) industrial system, using a lot of renewables and clean energy and improving environmental standards. At this point production in China is probably the best for the environment compared to most countries, including the US that is deeply invested in oil production.

China evidently is pushing to move to sodium ion batteries. They didn’t have to. They could’ve stuck with lithium. I’ll let you guess what what would’ve happened in the United States they would’ve said we don’t have to this lithium already works. Why do you want to upset the Apple Cart. They are also moving close to a point where they will bring Thorium Reactors on line they don’t have to. They could just stick with…

It does seem that China is run by engineers who like to build cool stuff.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dirck-norman wrote: post #383
runako wrote: post #281

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> The total subsidies make up half of the market cap of their entire EV industry. Didn't Tesla essentially stay afloat for years via government subsidies (e.g. government-mandated carbon credits)? Didn't the US only recently end its direct subsidies for EV buyers? Don't US taxpayers provide an enormous ongoing subsidy to ICE vehicles by underwriting the security of the oilfields in the Gulf? Don't US taxpayers in eff…

This is a false equivalence. Adding carbon credits the U.S. is close to 20 billion in EV subsidies. The ENTIRE EU spent 125 billion. China supplied 250 billion to a 400 billion dollar industry and is facing overproduction. It’s dishonest to say it’s the same. Free market capitalism isn’t binary. If that’s what you think, you’re gravely misinformed.

Just to be clear, that 250 billion is for 15 years and 400 billion is the current per-year number.

The subsidies were around 25% of sales in 2018 and have dropped down to about 10%.

And of that 250 billion, half is a sales tax exemption and a quarter is purchase rebates. That bulk of the money doesn't lead to unfair competition.

https://www.csis.org/blogs/trustee-china-hand/chinese-ev-dil...

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by rshm »

culi wrote: post #175
comboy wrote: post #96

This is nothing. China is about to start doing their own 5nm. When they roll out their own silicon at scale, I don't think there's catching up, nobody can match their manufacturing capabilities. Not even close.

They are already doing 5nm with multi-patterning DUV. But that's not the same as EUV machines. It is not nearly the same scale of production (with yields as low as 20%). They are still a few years away from indigenous EUV. Though I have to admit the shenzhen breakthrough was pretty impressive

Is DUV inherently 5nm a 20% yield class or it's matter of process improvement that China is struggling compared to taiwan or Intel ?

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by applicative »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #228
Grombobulous wrote: post #208

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I think Western people still call this situation “outsourcing” when in reality what is happening is that China is better at manufacturing than everyone else, and they’re starting to be better than everyone else at design and engineering, too. When we buy software from Silicon Valley or a nice Mercedes Benz from Germany we don’t use this same language “outsourcing.” Colloquially, outsourcing implies low quality or che…

China didn't get that way by magic. They ran the same playbook that allowed Alexander Hamilton to snatch manufacturing from Great Britain to the US, and the US gave up manufacturing for the same reason the UK gave up manufacturing (suppression of labor interests). It will be interesting to see what China does. They aren't ideologically committed to exclusively serving the interests of the wealthy, but they still have…

The industrialization of USA comes after the civil war, thus long after e.g. Charles Dickens, to say nothing of Hamilton.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by simjnd »

lostmsu wrote: post #375
simjnd wrote: post #262

The GPU performance is insane too, approaches M5 results at ~20W. Of course it will be in Android phones so it will be throttle hard past 4W and will have terrible drivers. I wish phones moved to HPB packaging and active cooling so we could have sustained 10W and use them as light workstations.

Xiaomi smartphones were extremely well made at least a few years ago. Even the core software was impressive vs Google for example (try echo cancellation on any of your non-Xiaomi devices). Its only real problem is ads.

Yeah it wasn't a dig a Xiaomi specifically. All Android devices have broken Vulkan drivers. We have to rely on alternative open-source drivers (e.g. Turnip for Snapdragon) for real compatibility and performance.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by applicative »

xanthor wrote: post #322
smallmancontrov wrote: post #228

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China didn't get that way by magic. They ran the same playbook that allowed Alexander Hamilton to snatch manufacturing from Great Britain to the US, and the US gave up manufacturing for the same reason the UK gave up manufacturing (suppression of labor interests). It will be interesting to see what China does. They aren't ideologically committed to exclusively serving the interests of the wealthy, but they still have…

China and Vietnam are the only countries worldwide which have executed bankers for corruption in recent decades. No ahem necessary.

Were they guilty?

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by spacedcowboy »

hn_submit wrote: post #307
spacedcowboy wrote: post #265

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Last I knew, ASML was a Dutch company with a Veldhoven HQ. With the amount of shit that Trump's been pulling in Europe, The EU might be more willing to side with China and ban exports to the US.

Not as long as there's a NATO. Europe needs to acquire a nuclear arsenal that stands head-to-head with the Russian one quantitatively and independent from the U.S. or any other nation (including the French and British) for nuclear deterrence. This means many more European nations need to acquire a nuclear arsenal. The frustrating part is that the U.S. doesn't want to give assurances whether it will come to Europe's a…

I would argue that NATO under Trump is a paper tiger. There is a reason no-one wants to buy US weapons any more, though the intricacies of where they are, having assumed the US would be a reliable ally, mean the current flood of US weaponry to European countries will slow down gradually, not all at once.

Reputation is a fickle thing, so difficult to build, and so easy to lose.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by markdown »

yoz-y wrote: post #111
pelagicAustral wrote: post #53

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> This is bad news for Mediatek and Qualcomm. And good news for everyone else.

Yes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.

This is what was sold to – and often forced on – countries by the US and their allies via the IMF and World Bank. Global free trade meant that you only produced what you had an advantage in and bought what others could produce at lower cost.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

m00x wrote: post #400
gnfargbl wrote: post #353

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> unless one considers China and Taiwan to be the same countries The fact that the CCP is relaxed about core Chinese companies running their manufacturing in Taiwan might suggest that the CCP considers that it can make China and Taiwan one country, at a time of the CCP's choosing.

I've lived in Taiwan for a large part of my life. They would lose all of TSMC if they do any military actions. It's not the fact that the CCP thinks that they can make Taiwan and China a country, it's the the fact that most of China does in fact consider them as one country. Taiwan is ready to defend themselves, but are very happy keeping their relationship with China the way it is.

My bet would be that invasion wouldn't look like quick war, but slow control of political power either through light force like economic blackmail, or through something similar to what US did with Venezuela.

Now that US has already opened the gate to labelling nation head as drug seller, this just eases things for China.

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