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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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This is still an ARM C1-Ultra. Same one used in Mediatek dimensity 9500, which also got more than 4000 points in GB6 lab test. But actual results inside phone with smartphone cooling and wattage requirement became close to 3300. But perhaps the most important thing, Xiaomi is now able to make chip similar to Mediatek. They are the third largest Smartphone manufacturer by shipment volume. And they are still growing. T…

I sense a US blacklisting coming

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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I'm sure it benchmarks well, but does it actually have good battery life?

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top comment right now on this very page: "But actual results inside phone with smartphone cooling and wattage requirement became close to 3300"

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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China is nowhere near “free market”. Their EV sector received more government subsidies in the last 15 years than the entire U.S. automobile market since inception. The total subsidies make up half of the market cap of their entire EV industry. 250 billion in EV subsidies from China. 10 billion by the U.S.

> The total subsidies make up half of the market cap of their entire EV industry. Didn't Tesla essentially stay afloat for years via government subsidies (e.g. government-mandated carbon credits)? Didn't the US only recently end its direct subsidies for EV buyers? Don't US taxpayers provide an enormous ongoing subsidy to ICE vehicles by underwriting the security of the oilfields in the Gulf? Don't US taxpayers in eff…

This is a false equivalence.

Adding carbon credits the U.S. is close to 20 billion in EV subsidies.

The ENTIRE EU spent 125 billion.

China supplied 250 billion to a 400 billion dollar industry and is facing overproduction. It’s dishonest to say it’s the same.

Free market capitalism isn’t binary. If that’s what you think, you’re gravely misinformed.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Also, who decides which entities are adversaries? I don't personally consider "China" my adversary. As an American who has to deal with US companies, many of them are far more antagonistic to me than a foreign country 10K km away. If "China" decides it doesn't like me, my life really isn't going to change much. If my electric company decides it doesn't like me, I'm in big trouble.

Yeah, I don't want China as an adversary. It appears to me that it is a country full of fun, smart and interesting people. And their manufacturing prowess is incredible. I'm into funny electric vehicles and China makes some beauties!

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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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I'm unaware of any actual hardware backdoors introduced by primary manufacturers in practice, especially those installed in Xiaomi hardware. There are accounts of interdiction and post-manufacturing compromises, such as those revealed in the Snowden leaks (2013) and most recently by reporting about the Israeli security services' sabotage of Hezbollah pagers and 2-way radios. These projects didn't expose primary manuf…

Everyone relax. This guy on the Internet is unaware of any.

And are you aware of any? If nobody can find evidence then it's probably not a widespread risk.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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China didn't get that way by magic. They ran the same playbook that allowed Alexander Hamilton to snatch manufacturing from Great Britain to the US, and the US gave up manufacturing for the same reason the UK gave up manufacturing (suppression of labor interests). It will be interesting to see what China does. They aren't ideologically committed to exclusively serving the interests of the wealthy, but they still have…

China and Vietnam are the only countries worldwide which have executed bankers for corruption in recent decades. No ahem necessary.

It's striking that they recently arrested one of the richest men in the country, the Evergrande founder, for fraud. Seems unthinkable in the US/Europe right now.

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I'm not sure that it matters. You can't put a Qualcomm chip in an iPhone and you can't put Apple Silicon in any other device. So there's no really straightforward way to compare them other than specs on paper, which we all know are theoretical until they get integrated.

Why "better than Qualcomm" doesn't matter? You don't have to compare everything with Apple products.

I didn’t make that comparison; you did.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Yes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.

Countries and institutions should always produce things where they are excellent at producing, in forms of specialization and compete in terms of comparative advantages.

Those thing are not static! Changing them can be a political decision. It was a political decision in China to become excellent at manufacturing.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Yes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.

I think describing what's happening "other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country" is disingenuous. It's been dubbed China Shock 2.0 and it's being taken very seriously by the EU. The US admin is a joke and too busy shooting itself in both feet to have coherent policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Shock_2.0

It's not disingenuous. It was obvious this was happening 15 years ago and the US and EU could have done something about it back then.

The tendency to protect corporate profit margins is the western Achilles heel and China knew they could exploit that.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Missing the most important metric: processing power per watt. I have some server CPUs laying around that can also beat Apple CPUs. But putting them in a compact, densely packed, sealed box (aka a phone) would result in a fireball and almost no battery life.

O3 is supposed to draw 25% less than O1, which according to reviews of their tablets did not throttle.

Their next Fold phone (TBA September) will use O3. I guess we will find out very soon.

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