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Mark Zuckerberg donates $500 million

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg donates $500 million

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I'm getting a bit miffed at the comments talking about this being a "PR move" or helpful for a "tax break". Did I read this wrong or did it not say 500. MILLION. dollars?

The cynicism must be pretty darn strong to try and explain that away by anything other than Zuck wanting to do some good with his shares and money. We should be applauding it, not over-analyzing it for how it benefits him.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg donates $500 million

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A large social network called Facebook.

1) Myspace provided a large social network with free web hosting and some PHP doodads before Facebook did. Did Mark Zuckerberg create anything new? 2) Facebook is a weapon deployed against the integrity of human personality. Does facebook quality as wealth considering that it is a destructive force?

The value Zuck created has nothing to do with PHP or MySpace, it is the billion people who check Facebook each month and spend tens of billions of hours on the site. The value is provided to the network of users and to advertisers who want to reach that audience.

The market shifted from radio, newspaper and television to web advertising. 20 years ago the $500M that Zuck donated would have otherwise went to an aristocratic media owning family empire. I prefer it going to somebody who has created new value and who will be putting the money to better use. Simply spending and gifting the money is a better use than hoarding it and establishing a genetic dynasty.

The argument about Facebook being a weapon against human development and integrity is the same argument that luddites (and the Amish) made against radio, television, the telephone and many other new inventions.

95% of the people that I know in my life, and 100% of the career moves I have made in my life were through people that I met online. The difference is that I was technical enough to know how to use IRC, how to use early blogs, etc. Facebook is simple and accessible, and allows the other 99% of the world population to take advantage of the same networking technology to enhance their lives.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg donates $500 million

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post #61

I'm getting a bit miffed at the comments talking about this being a "PR move" or helpful for a "tax break". Did I read this wrong or did it not say 500. MILLION. dollars? The cynicism must be pretty darn strong to try and explain that away by anything other than Zuck wanting to do some good with his shares and money. We should be applauding it, not over-analyzing it for how it benefits him.

Why would such moves be automatically altruistic?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg donates $500 million

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post #50

I'm somewhat confused. If $500 million in shares are donated by Zuckerberg, does that mean a tax write-off of that amount? Also, to verify, the foundation would have to liquidize the shares, right? That kind of instant sell-off would cause massive drops in price... I really hate to ask this (as I honestly don't have anything against Zuckerberg, and really don't feel that "rich people" or "all companies" are evil or a…

There is not a lot to write the donation off against. Zuck is on a salary and won't be selling any stock for a few more years. This is straight up just giving away $500M.

Zuck wasn't the one who put a dollar value on the donation, that was CNN. Zuck only mentioned a number of shares. He also said he is committed to giving away most of his net worth.

There really is nothing that can be criticized here. You could perhaps discuss his choice of how to distributed his wealth, but the fact that he is giving it away, and starting so soon in his life (as opposed to waiting for when he retires), should be commended.

And if Facebook "should" be trading at $10, then it would be trading at $10.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg donates $500 million

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post #61

I'm getting a bit miffed at the comments talking about this being a "PR move" or helpful for a "tax break". Did I read this wrong or did it not say 500. MILLION. dollars? The cynicism must be pretty darn strong to try and explain that away by anything other than Zuck wanting to do some good with his shares and money. We should be applauding it, not over-analyzing it for how it benefits him.

Why would such moves be automatically altruistic?

Why would it matter if they're altruistic or not? It's a move, it's going to help. Who the fuck cares why?

The saying goes "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth"

Re: Mark Zuckerberg donates $500 million

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post #23

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Well he deserves the hammering. The guy is clearly immoral and has damaged people's privacy and the world wide web forever. $500mil doesn't suddenly make that ok, especially considering the charity is basically a quango.

Why do you think he's immoral? If you equate "enabled people to share more of their lives more broadly" with "damaged people's privacy" then I agree, but I'm not sure even a majority would agree with a sentiment of that necessarily being a bad thing. People share what they feel comfortable with, don't they?

It's not about what but to whom.

To whom is hard to control and is made harder on purpose as after all, their entire model is based on encouraging sharing legitimately or otherwise.

Don't underestimate the power of the majority to make a crap decision. That's why we have privacy and data protection laws in the EU: to protect people from predatory information gathering and sharing.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg donates $500 million

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would such moves be automatically altruistic?

Why would it matter if they're altruistic or not? It's a move, it's going to help. Who the fuck cares why ? The saying goes "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth"

You would look a gift horse in the mouth if the mafia gave it you right?

It'd come with strings attached...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg donates $500 million

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I would always prefer the wealth coming from inside the system, not being first taken by individuals and then spread at their whim. Such wealth would much rather be a sustainable source. A well functioning society/government would know exactly how to spend it well. In many cases, to me, the good the rich do does not nearly weigh in for their wrongdoings.

Your comment has been downvoted, but there isn't yet an explanation of why it is incorrect. I'll provide my perspective. 1) Zuckerberg didn't "take" wealth. He created it. 2) Governments don't have particular insight into the best ways to spend resources. We spent a couple of decades comparing market economies with command economies, and market economies won.

Your point 1 is basically correct. Just to be pedantic, I'd adjust that to he "created and led the creation of the first versions of a fast-growing system that attracted great investment and wealth", rather than "created" (which suggests out of thin air).

Definitely agree with your point 2.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg donates $500 million

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post #56

People can say what they want about Zuckerberg, maybe he doesn't have the amazing charisma of Jobs, or the genius of Torvalds, and Facebook gets constantly hammered in the press (and him as well), but this is a great gesture on his part, I applaud him.

It depends - does he benefit personally from a tax writeoff from this? From all of his previous behaviour it would seem that this would more likely be the motivating factor here.

Giving away $500 Million is giving away $500 Million. The charity is receiving $500 million. Zuck doesn't get anything for it at all. If he earnt so much that he was able to write off $500 million, that just means he pays less tax on the rest. But at 30% tax rate, and if the whole lot was deductible (it wouldn't be), it's still $350 million out of his pocket. He's not benefiting (financially) in any way.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg donates $500 million

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post #64
post #50

I'm somewhat confused. If $500 million in shares are donated by Zuckerberg, does that mean a tax write-off of that amount? Also, to verify, the foundation would have to liquidize the shares, right? That kind of instant sell-off would cause massive drops in price... I really hate to ask this (as I honestly don't have anything against Zuckerberg, and really don't feel that "rich people" or "all companies" are evil or a…

There is not a lot to write the donation off against . Zuck is on a salary and won't be selling any stock for a few more years. This is straight up just giving away $500M. Zuck wasn't the one who put a dollar value on the donation, that was CNN. Zuck only mentioned a number of shares. He also said he is committed to giving away most of his net worth. There really is nothing that can be criticized here. You could perh…

It's likely he can carry the deduction forward.

(I do understand that he only saves some portion of the $500 million so it doesn't make sense to say he is doing it for tax purposes.)

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