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OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Altman specifically has said in an interview that I listened to once that he envisions AI being as cheap as electricity.

I hope it's a good bit cheaper than that, I pay close to $400/mo for electricity and I'm in no way interested in paying anything like that for AI.

Jeeze, what are you doing that uses so much electricity?

I live in Germany where people won't stop whining about electricity prices, and I pay 75€/mo.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#182

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Altman specifically has said in an interview that I listened to once that he envisions AI being as cheap as electricity.

I hope it's a good bit cheaper than that, I pay close to $400/mo for electricity and I'm in no way interested in paying anything like that for AI.

If it can automate your time by more than that it's a good trade.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#183

My prediction is that this becomes permanent. There is no good reason to be much more expensive than opus. At $4/$20 they are roughly at parity. Making 2/10 permanent would be a killer move and make a strong argument against open-weight. For the sake of the open weight ecosystem I hope they do not.

Isn't it essentially permanent since a new model will be out by then?

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Nemotron Super is sort of open source in the sense that Nvidia provides almost everything you need to replicate it from scratch. Of course it’s performance is not exactly stellar but it could be a good starting point for other research teams.

Nemotron is okay. Better than Olmo.

Better than Olmo in performance, not quite as open; release some, but not all, of their datasets.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#186

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OpenAI could still have a significant moat. ChatGPT occupies most consumers’ minds when they think about AI and has become a household name. Google won because search became a habit-forming product people grew accustomed to using. Bing was once effectively indistinguishable from Google Search, yet still failed to achieve mass adoption because users had already become accustomed to “Googling” things. The same could be…

Difference is that it was free to google/bing search. Ai prompting costs money. If I run out of tokens on ChatGPT of course I will try Claude. I never ran out of Google searches so no reason to try Bing

You haven't searched hard enough then.

At some point Google gets suspicious of your persistent searches and makes you solve captchas and puts cooldowns on your searches.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#187

The top comment on this thread was about AI models being easily distilled being a stroke of luck. This should not be surprising at all. Every new students spends tiny fractions of time learning knowledge that took many lifetimes to discover. This fundamental to the progress of intelligence and understanding. It should not be surprising that AI can be distilled. It's the logical method of training; I would hope that e…

> This should not be surprising at all. Every new students spends tiny fractions of time learning knowledge that took many lifetimes to discover.

This argument is exactly why we should not anthropomorphise models.

You are comparing the way a human brain learn with training a statistical model. You can't just "this is like learning so don't be surprised".

It takes a child one minute to learn how to open a padlock. Teach that to a robot with your analogies.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#188

My prediction is that this becomes permanent. There is no good reason to be much more expensive than opus. At $4/$20 they are roughly at parity. Making 2/10 permanent would be a killer move and make a strong argument against open-weight. For the sake of the open weight ecosystem I hope they do not.

I'm guessing they do this to help move people off old models they want to depreciate. It's not a price hike for old models, it's them removing a discount!

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Distillation a pretty well documented technique that actually pre-dates LLMs https://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.02531 Here is a project that guides you through it if you want to prove to yourself that it works https://github.com/arcee-ai/DistillKit

That distillation exists isn't the question. It's about evidence this is an active force in competition in LLMs.

I think the biggest actual piece of evidence is how hard the major players are trying to stop it

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#190
the fastest, most compliant model remains the cheapest. you could discount Sol to the same price as Luna and i would still prefer Luna for 90%+ of tasks. once you hit this baseline capability, speed and predictability dominate for anything i'd throw these at in production.
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