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IPFS Maintainers Winding Down

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Re: IPFS Maintainers Winding Down

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Post by JuniperMesos »

thataccount wrote: post #62

What makes/made IPFS special was how it could be seen with relative ease on the standard internet. That feature allowed it to bypass censorship. I cannot say I am surprised that the funding was not re-upped since it seems like the modern web really loves censoring the crap out of things. Edited: I also liked how it bypassed the traditional domain system.

These are good qualities in general; but it's worth asking why this anti-censorship technology required funding from one organization (Protocol Labs) that could cut off that funding and now has done so. Being economically non-viable without grants is one way that anti-censorship technology is ineffective at its stated goal.

Re: IPFS Maintainers Winding Down

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Post by virgil_disgr4ce »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #79
devttyeu wrote: post #4

Sad to see it go having been a maintainer some years ago. For anyone wondering, there are more sustainable (with a viable, focused business backing the project) options to do p2p, namely Iroh - https://www.iroh.computer/ which was built by ex-IPFS ex-Protocol Labs devs (I have no relation to the team beyond having worked with them back in the day). Sadly Protocol Labs is doing.. ehh whatever now, except apparently su…

there are a lot of completely free file sharing services for authentic activity (e.g. github, google drive) inauthentic activity seems to move from one product space to another. in 3 years we'll be hearing about stripe shutting down openrouter for example.

please define "authentic activity" and "inauthentic activity"

Re: IPFS Maintainers Winding Down

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Post by TiredOfLife »

jMyles wrote: post #34

I publish all of my music in ways that are pirate-friendly, which for the moment just means Bit Torrent and IPFS. See: https://pickipedia.xyz/wiki/Cryptograss:Delivery-kid If IPFS is starting to wane, does anyone else have a suggestion of a replacement about which I might start to educate my fans?

Hyphanet (nee Freenet)

Re: IPFS Maintainers Winding Down

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Post by muragekibicho »

gwerbin wrote: post #77
muragekibicho wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess IPFS is an artifact from the crypto craze. It's pretty silly if you think of it. However, I must admit, I got my first ever developer grant from Filecoin while they were flush with ZIRP era money. btw,I thought it was an Initial Coin Offering, not an actual fundraise.

What's silly about it? Content-addressable decentralized storage -- not tied to a cryptocurrency -- is really valuable for censorship-resistant archiving of politically-sensitive data (such as climate change research).

It's the crypto aspect that's silly. Tech is cool IMO. However, the crypto adjacency makes it all look scammy tbh.

Re: IPFS Maintainers Winding Down

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Post by crest »

muragekibicho wrote: post #73
mikert89 wrote: post #12

Does IPFS actually have users? I remeber when they raised 270 million and a bunch of people there got wildly wealthy

I guess IPFS is an artifact from the crypto craze. It's pretty silly if you think of it. However, I must admit, I got my first ever developer grant from Filecoin while they were flush with ZIRP era money. btw,I thought it was an Initial Coin Offering, not an actual fundraise.

What people did or planned to do with IPFS is pretty silly, but the idea of content addressed storage with cryptographic (not in a crypo coin way) names makes a lot of sense. It would make for a great software distribution method e.g. your game downloads get faster the more people want to play the latest version. It's the combination of Git and BitTorrent and has uses far beyond just hosting warez and NFTs.

Re: IPFS Maintainers Winding Down

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Post by ktm5j »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #78
zeafoamrun wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude they just got shut down and will need to look for new jobs, cut them a tiny bit of slack.

It's a problem for the entire ecosystem that the most expedient thing to do, the thing that we should have sympathy for them picking under a time of stress, is the thing that relies on people who want to communicate with them having a Google account and having that communication intermediated through Google with no alternative. And since the entire point of Shipyard as an organization is to be stewards of the decentr…

I could (sort of) see why you might get this upset if people were required to have a Google account themselves to submit this Google form, but that's not the case. Who are you to tell an underfunded opensource dev company that just lost their biggest project what tools they should use? That email you hypothetically sent will probably get delivered to an account in their Google Workspace, how on earth is that any different?

Re: IPFS Maintainers Winding Down

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Post by yieldcrv »

simonw wrote: post #58
jMyles wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, when we do NFT ticketing these days, we just say, "have your 1155 ready" with a link to explain what that means. I still think it's pretty obvious that on sufficiently long time-scales that some variant of NFTs will be the winner for event tickets.

What advantage does blockchain ticketing hold over a centralized database of tickets?

despite the "non fungible" in the name, tickets in this format ironically adds fungibility that non-blockchain marketplaces decrease

right now outside of the web3 space, all promotion companies release tickets in different ways. the ability to resell them is unknown, the quantity for sale is unknown and opaque, the service fees make no sense for the last 20 years, the ability to transfer them is unknown, and the ability to lose your money on an attempted resale transaction is absurdly high. in comparison, all NFTs in the blockchain space inherit solutions to all of those problems and all marketplaces are just UI's on top of data already there in a uniform way, alongside new problems that are mostly education based and won't be solved with a different user experience (akin to how debit and credit cards introduced new problems with automated teller machines many decades ago, that never were solved but didn't deter the concept)

can a centralized marketplace and issuer that conforms solve all of it? of course, but that hasn't been the rubric for nearly a decade....

developing in the blockchain space isn't to attract non-blockchain users - at least for anything that actually earns revenue - its solving frictions for existing blockchain users because they are there, numerous and its lucrative

it's a parallel economy that you either accept the existence of or you don't, there are a lot of people trying to act like it has merged with other economies or asking you to use a big stake of money on blockchain assets with the hope that it becomes a bigger stake of money if they did merge, but that's really a distraction that has little to do with what's already happened and functioning fine

Re: IPFS Maintainers Winding Down

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Post by Ekaros »

api wrote: post #37
Macha wrote: post #2

All those NFT holders where the NFT resolved to a ipfs.io link in shambles

Finding out NFTs were just links, didn't even embed the asset, was such a moment for me... like either the people pushing this are complete fools or 100% conscious grifters who know it's total bullshit. I suspect it was a mix. Insane. I think a lot of the AI skepticism comes from the fact that the last major New Thing (tm) pushed by this industry was crypto. People are very, very burned by that. That and how badly so…

Even more so when in most cases no one could explain any real type of ownership in terms of working in most existing legal frameworks.

What would I have owned exactly? What would have ownership entitled... All very reasonable question. Mostly entirely ignored or handwaved...

Re: IPFS Maintainers Winding Down

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Post by Grombobulous »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #78
zeafoamrun wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude they just got shut down and will need to look for new jobs, cut them a tiny bit of slack.

It's a problem for the entire ecosystem that the most expedient thing to do, the thing that we should have sympathy for them picking under a time of stress, is the thing that relies on people who want to communicate with them having a Google account and having that communication intermediated through Google with no alternative. And since the entire point of Shipyard as an organization is to be stewards of the decentr…

There is no ecosystem. IPFS is dead. Relatively speaking, nobody’s using it. There’s no strong use case or benefit.

This is the last gasp of a blockchain hype cycle solution that never found its problem.

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