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Characterizing Agentic Flooding of Government Services

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Re: Characterizing Agentic Flooding of Government Services

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>Having older parents and watching what my grandparents went thru long before LLMs I just don't worry about the poor old state that much. You should worry more about your parents whose benefits are jeopardized by stress to the benefits system.

Is there any evidence that this is actually a real worry? Don’t audits usually find that vast majority of benefits are valid and correctly applied?

No one ever audits them.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any evidence that this is actually a real worry? Don’t audits usually find that vast majority of benefits are valid and correctly applied?

No one ever audits them.

That can’t possibly be true since I’ve read audit reports on public benefits

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I think this is probably a good thing. It’s not just public services, but any company that consumers have to deal with (in ways they don’t want to). Historically, only those with the most time, money, connections, and education have been able to extract benefits from these systems. E.g., if someone wants to fight an insurance claim being denied, they might need to hire an expensive lawyer or spend hours performing th…

One hypothetical outcome of AI-mediated job loss is that more and more people wind up working in the services (private and public) providing human judgement. Is this person qualified to receive that benefit? Are they truly deserving or just trying to game the system? I wouldn’t be at all surprised if over time we see an explosion in the number of benefits adjudicators or victims services personnel or patient advocates.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Having older parents and watching what my grandparents went thru long before LLMs I just don't worry about the poor old state that much. You should worry more about your parents whose benefits are jeopardized by stress to the benefits system.

Is there any evidence that this is actually a real worry? Don’t audits usually find that vast majority of benefits are valid and correctly applied?

Medicaid and medicare make up 50% of the "abuse" (primarily overpayment), which again points towards companies milking the system, not individuals https://washingtonstand.com/article/gao-finds-15-major-feder...

Re: Characterizing Agentic Flooding of Government Services

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I think this is probably a good thing. It’s not just public services, but any company that consumers have to deal with (in ways they don’t want to). Historically, only those with the most time, money, connections, and education have been able to extract benefits from these systems. E.g., if someone wants to fight an insurance claim being denied, they might need to hire an expensive lawyer or spend hours performing th…

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I think this is probably a good thing. It’s not just public services, but any company that consumers have to deal with (in ways they don’t want to). Historically, only those with the most time, money, connections, and education have been able to extract benefits from these systems. E.g., if someone wants to fight an insurance claim being denied, they might need to hire an expensive lawyer or spend hours performing th…

The endgame is that everything will be gated by costly signals. What will remain costly as LLM's automate white-collar work?

Responsibility

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I think this is probably a good thing. It’s not just public services, but any company that consumers have to deal with (in ways they don’t want to). Historically, only those with the most time, money, connections, and education have been able to extract benefits from these systems. E.g., if someone wants to fight an insurance claim being denied, they might need to hire an expensive lawyer or spend hours performing th…

One hypothetical outcome of AI-mediated job loss is that more and more people wind up working in the services (private and public) providing human judgement. Is this person qualified to receive that benefit? Are they truly deserving or just trying to game the system? I wouldn’t be at all surprised if over time we see an explosion in the number of benefits adjudicators or victims services personnel or patient advocate…

I would be astonished to see this outcome. It is costly and highly subjective.

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A few weeks ago a guy came up to me at a coffee shop to ask if I wanted to develop his big AI idea that he’s getting patented soon. Obviously I didn’t want to but during the conversation he spent a lot of time telling me that his big thing these days is getting AI systems to find grant opportunities to generate fraudulent applications to. I have a feeling he was lying or delusional, but he said he’s making hundreds of thousands of dollars from this. (I found it amusing in his job recruitment pitch he spent a lot of time bragging about scamming people.)

Re: Characterizing Agentic Flooding of Government Services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any evidence that this is actually a real worry? Don’t audits usually find that vast majority of benefits are valid and correctly applied?

Medicaid and medicare make up 50% of the "abuse" (primarily overpayment), which again points towards companies milking the system, not individuals https://washingtonstand.com/article/gao-finds-15-major-feder...

I decided to read the report this is article is referring to. The report is estimating improper payments which is basically just missing paperwork and other types of payment errors. The report says explicitly that it is not measuring fraud rates.

So I dug a little deeper: roughly 94% of Medicare/Medicaid dollars and 89% of SNAP dollars passed audit reviews in 2025, but I can't find any national percentages for beneficiary fraud rates overall (which is sort of what we are talking about).

Provider fraud does appear to be the main driver of healthcare losses if we look at the enforcement evidence, but that does not mean every improper payment is abuse. It does seem the programs are audited quite extensively (unlike what some other comments in this thread are claiming).

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