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MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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This reminds me that in the USSR they had typewriters that added an identifier somehow that could be traced back to that particular typewriter (and who it was sold to)

You have no idea how deep this rabbit hole goes. Search for EFF printers secret tracking. Virtually all commercial printers embed an invisible identifier on every page printed.

It was about money anti-counterfeiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably the OP is proposing something like a TPM attached to the image sensor that signs the sensor output or something like that. You can’t sign it because you can’t get the key out. The key could be per-camera and be a published list. I suppose a dedicated fraudster could still stage an appropriate scene. An appropriately lit matte image might even suffice.

Please note: A well-funded organization, like a government, can derive the keys from the TPM hardware using an electron microscope.

Also note that there are plenty of viable attack methods that don't even require key extraction, such as asking the TPM to sign arbitrary data.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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> Make sure you register mailing addresses with your credit card institutions Sorry for a dumb question but what would one use as a mailing address? Rent a PO box, or use a mail forwarding service, something like that?

Any of a number of virtual mailbox services which can receive mail for you, e.g. anytimemailbox.com but there are several. You can either pick up in person, or they offer services like mail forwarding, opening and scanning, etc. Besides privacy against leaking your sleeping-address to businesses, they're also convenient for avoiding package theft if that's a problem in your area, and receiving/forwarding mail if you…

Or.....Install Linux and bypass all this stupidity.

They will move faster to track each and every one of you, all the while shoving ads and garbage down each of your respective machines... and you all pay for it?!

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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These days i cant recommend Windows to anybody. Even gamers should move to linux.

Some say "i do nothing illegal" "have nothing to hide". You dont do anything illegal in your point of view. AI tracking you might think otherwise.

A sudden knock on your door might happen because of an ambigious search/propmt.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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> address Do not tell Microsoft where you sleep. IANAL but they are not a government or financial institution and do not have a right to that information. Make sure you register mailing addresses with your credit card institutions in addition to your residential addresses, and make your mailing address your billing address so that you aren't forced to tell a thousand businesses like Microsoft where you sleep.

Windows 11 effectively forces users to register with a Microsoft account. Once that's established, all it takes is for an unaware user to fill out an e-commerce form and save an address for auto-fill.

> Windows 11 effectively forces users to register with a Microsoft account.

It takes zero effort to bypass that with Rufus, if you set up your own pc.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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AI-generated text warning (I submitted - but did not author - the piece), but it seems MS Paint and MS Photos add both a visible (can be turned off) and invisible (cannot be disabled and happens silently in the background with no user notice) watermarks to photos that have been AI-manipulated, even when using a local model to perform the action. It's not clear if this applies to even things like using AI-enhanced bac…

> AI-generated text warning (I submitted - but did not author - the piece)

Took me a moment to realize you're saying someone else generated it, rather than you did.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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> This really needs to be hit with the GDPR hammer. Microsoft have not obtained consent for this. At best they'd just disable it for EU... assuming they didn't successfully argue "it was in the ToS ..."

But the EU mandates watermarking of AI content.

As the article explained, the EU does not mandate a prompt-specific GUID, only the ability to identify the content as AI-generated. The highly privacy-invasive level of provenance tracking which Microsoft has added goes beyond the EU’s new mandates.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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post #104

These days i cant recommend Windows to anybody. Even gamers should move to linux. Some say "i do nothing illegal" "have nothing to hide". You dont do anything illegal in your point of view. AI tracking you might think otherwise. A sudden knock on your door might happen because of an ambigious search/propmt.

There's a huge number of gamers moving to things like CachyOS. Some are stuck because of Valorant, LoL or Battlefield DRM, but it's a big move lately.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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This muddle of an article makes it totally unclear to me if this GUID is attached by the AI generation call or every image I edit in MS Paint. I'm going to assume the former unless they release a clarification. Edit: Actually trivial to test, just save an image of all black and see if it suddenly has other values on save.

> Edit: Actually trivial to test, just save an image of all black and see if it suddenly has other values on save.

Did it?

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 11 effectively forces users to register with a Microsoft account. Once that's established, all it takes is for an unaware user to fill out an e-commerce form and save an address for auto-fill.

> Windows 11 effectively forces users to register with a Microsoft account. It takes zero effort to bypass that with Rufus, if you set up your own pc.

My comment was in regard to the average PC user. The kinds of folks who would never install an operating system and would likely agree to use Edge while signed in to their Microsoft account.
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