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OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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How do you know? I see a “weekly usage limit” bar in my ChatGPT settings, but I’m pretty fuzzy about what makes it go down. If I stick with Luna, I can make it through the week.

ChatGPT Work and Codex use that. Normal chat has a different, unspecified limit.

Yep. I'm actually using ChatGPT integration via exe.dev to write code. It uses my subscription through an API and runs down the usage limit in a similar way.

The part I don't understand is how usage is "charged" against this limit.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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> long live open source models There are no open source models, at least not useful ones (yet) [0]. Open weight is not the same as open source. The current "open weight" models are just opaque binary blobs you can run on your own computer instead of through a web API. [0] https://allenai.org/

Can you explain what's missing for the "open source" label that open-weight models like DeepSeek/Quen/GLM/etc don't release? Is it just the supplementary data/code for how they were trained, not just the final product?

The open weight model providers don't provide the training data or the build tooling. You cannot reproduce the model yourself, or even really know what the model contains. They don't even provide high-level catalogues/descriptions of the training data. An improvement would be something like "trained on the entire WWW up to Aug 1 2026". Or "trained on a Wikipedia archive + Anna's Archive and everything we were able to scrape from Github". They don't provide any of this stuff.

I don't mind open-weight models, but they are not open source. It's like bringing home a dog from the rescue and just hoping that it doesn't have a history of biting kids in the face. You just can't know, because you don't know the full history. You can try to add new training (fine tune) to tell it not to bite kids, but that's it.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Once they make a model better than Fable I’ll be switching to Codex. Their priorities in terms of consumers seem to be better. I do think Anthropic has some solid safety viewpoints, but I don’t necessarily think that either is entirely aligned yet with delivering exactly what humanity needs. Maybe the AI will help align the AI companies when it gets smart enough. That’s the real misalignment I’m concerned about.

I don't think these companies have humanity's needs in mind when they're developing these models. Although the last part of your comment struck me as a bit comical, I genuinely believe that an AI can have way more empathy than a corporation. Afterall, a mimicry of empathy is probably better than no empathy.

It varies, the researchers absolutely do have humanity’s needs in mind, it’s why they founded the companies and are doing work everyday. However the issue is that it’s got so much money involved that the heartless soulless billionaires are getting involved. I think the actual literal people doing the real work are doing it because AI could cure every cancer and every disease, make us a multi-planetary species, outlast humans by millions and millions of years, potentially create actual organic life and make direct upgrades to humans.

I think that AI has an insane level of upside, it’s just that the greedy dumbfuck billionaires are getting their greedy little grubby paws involved. If left to researchers I think the sky is the limit, but unfortunately thy need assets, so there isn’t a clean solution to that.

Ideally, we could somehow separate AI from funding from malicious entities like billionaires, but right now that doesn’t seem possible. Hopefully in the future researchers with genuinely good intentions can have far more direct control than dumbass greedy old fucks, but we’ll just have to see.

I think the future can be bright in theory but we’ll have to see, making insanely powerful open-source models is the direct way to get around the billionaires so I think that’s our only option. Make open-source ASI you can run on a consumer computer.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

the moat is real. the big expensive base models are like the data collected from huge particle accelerators - there's enough unknown structure to be mining for years. you can extract features with more and more generation loss but access to the raw weights is a real advantage, and literally a moat if the interesting behaviors are fenced off

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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They will have moat in the satellite launching business, which is not useful in the AI datacenter market. You can put AI chips in datacenters in the desert for far less than $100/kg. With lots of solar power available, the option to easily access your hardware and far less radiation issues. The datacenter in space story really only exists to make it possible for Musk to sell X to SpaceX and make more money from the I…

It's not an engineering bet. Musk's bet is dysfunctional politics will make it impossible to build enough data centres and the energy needed to power them. There are many, many reasons that might be wrong. However, if the economics are even close to viable, they could start throwing up data centres quicker than anyone can build them terrestrially (at least in the democratic west).

So to be clear, the prediction is that every single location on earth will be economically infeasible due to politics, and that these same politics will have no impact on the launch or satellite businesses?

GMAFB.

It's stock pump bullshit from a guy who has figured out how to extract the maximum from stock markets.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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OpenAI could still have a significant moat. ChatGPT occupies most consumers’ minds when they think about AI and has become a household name. Google won because search became a habit-forming product people grew accustomed to using. Bing was once effectively indistinguishable from Google Search, yet still failed to achieve mass adoption because users had already become accustomed to “Googling” things. The same could be…

Difference is that it was free to google/bing search. Ai prompting costs money. If I run out of tokens on ChatGPT of course I will try Claude. I never ran out of Google searches so no reason to try Bing

> If I run out of tokens on ChatGPT of course I will try Claude.

More like the other way around - Claude burns tokens faster than any other LLM.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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OpenAI could still have a significant moat. ChatGPT occupies most consumers’ minds when they think about AI and has become a household name. Google won because search became a habit-forming product people grew accustomed to using. Bing was once effectively indistinguishable from Google Search, yet still failed to achieve mass adoption because users had already become accustomed to “Googling” things. The same could be…

Difference is that it was free to google/bing search. Ai prompting costs money. If I run out of tokens on ChatGPT of course I will try Claude. I never ran out of Google searches so no reason to try Bing

OpenAI has a free tier. I'm guessing a lot of people never need to upgrade. Not the case for me but I can see the average person only needing to run a few prompts every day.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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post #29

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49396590

completely offtopic but how are you always there with a valid dupe link?

Read the site regularly. Saw it come up. Remembered it from earlier. 2 days old news now.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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OpenAI could still have a significant moat. ChatGPT occupies most consumers’ minds when they think about AI and has become a household name. Google won because search became a habit-forming product people grew accustomed to using. Bing was once effectively indistinguishable from Google Search, yet still failed to achieve mass adoption because users had already become accustomed to “Googling” things. The same could be…

> OpenAI could still have a significant moat. ChatGPT occupies most consumers’ minds when they think about AI and has become a household name. ChatGPT is AI for the average non-techie the world over, but the average non-techie isn't eager to pay for it. The more progress that's made, the less incentive to pay - most people are happy with the total garbage spewed by google AI overview. They'd be happy with google's 30…

Yeah, I think most people here don't realize how far most of the population is on the adoption curve with this stuff.

I had a discovery call last week with someone who did not realize he could use ChatGPT for work. It was a revelation that he could drag a PDF into ChatGPT and it could summarize it for him.

FWIW, guy in his late-30s in a pretty senior sales role.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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post #152

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Can you explain what's missing for the "open source" label that open-weight models like DeepSeek/Quen/GLM/etc don't release? Is it just the supplementary data/code for how they were trained, not just the final product?

The open weight model providers don't provide the training data or the build tooling. You cannot reproduce the model yourself, or even really know what the model contains. They don't even provide high-level catalogues/descriptions of the training data. An improvement would be something like "trained on the entire WWW up to Aug 1 2026". Or "trained on a Wikipedia archive + Anna's Archive and everything we were able to…

Thank you for the detail/explanation. Hope my comment came off correctly as curiosity and a desire to understand, which this helped with.
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