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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by amunozo »

chamomeal wrote: post #575
kibibu wrote: post #570

This isn't the reason I'm considering leaving Anthropic. I don't think I can tolerate its writing style anymore. Reading Claude output is starting to cause actual psychological harm. I have tried many ways to get it to stop writing in its stupid punchy linked-in marketing-team voice, and I can't. Is there a model out there that sounds sound this awful? It's like rubbing sand into the folds of my brain.

I don’t think GPT is any better. I swear GPT-3 was the golden area of LLM prose. With a good fine tuning, you really couldn’t tell that an AI was writing (except for when it would devolve into utter nonsense lol)

I've read many people saying that the huge GPT-4.5 has the best prose of LLMs, but never actually tried it.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by CodingJeebus »

adam_arthur wrote: post #585
chamomeal wrote: post #575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think GPT is any better. I swear GPT-3 was the golden area of LLM prose. With a good fine tuning, you really couldn’t tell that an AI was writing (except for when it would devolve into utter nonsense lol)

Codex (5.6 Sol) is extremely to the point and direct in its responses. Often I'll tell it to summarize what it said only because it's providing too much detail, not that it's using esoteric language or weird claudisms. No idea why people are still using Claude models. My impression is they started on Claude Code and never tried Codex or other harness+model combos

I was on the Anthropic train for 2 years, and I tended not to jump between vendors much because it felt like a lot of distraction for little gain. But last week I switched to 5.6 Sol during an Anthropic outage and it made me realize how frustrated I was with Opus 5 and I haven't switched back.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by keybored »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #294
noosphr wrote: post #272

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I was going to say that the model of the electricity market OP is talking about hasn't existed in 15 years and it's only getting worse with more intermittent renewables entering the market. And no, batteries are not the answer because physics doesn't care how much greenwashing lobbyists do.

What a weird non-sequitur. P.S. batteries are the answer, hope this helps

Future solutions nothwithstanding, the metaphor does not make sense according to the reality of many people as of today. Many live in locales where the Grid has made the grid capacity into the consumers’ problem via time-of-use pricing and adjusting pricing according to some max-use scheme. It is absolutely not just something you set and forget if you have to worry about not using the stove at the same time as you use the AC.

But this seems apropos in a roundabout way since LLMs cost a lot of energy.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by esseph »

kbrannigan wrote: post #264
cle wrote: post #230

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My wife's startup made the mistake of building her internal operations around Claude Team. Then she hired a VA in the Philippines. Anthropic promptly banned her account without warning once the VA connected to the account. It took her weeks to get her account reinstated, at which point she had already moved on to OpenAI.

How many big tech companies let you talk to a human to get support. Automation is wonderful to cut cost for them but for the users being unable to get support is a horrible experience. But you cannot go elsewhere because they are the only player in town. How can small companies with 1000x less money able to provide live support, but if you pay 20, 100, 200 dollars for a subscription you dont have a phone number to ca…

> How can small companies with 1000x less money able to provide live support, but if you pay 20, 100, 200 dollars for a subscription you dont have a phone number to call ?

They spend the money which can drastically cut into their profits.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by esseph »

exceptione wrote: post #540
rhdunn wrote: post #500

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Part of it is scale. If you have a small number of clients/users it is possible to provide that support. If you have millions or billions of users then you can't scale the support to handle the support requests, so some form of automation becomes inevitable.

If you scale up customers, you scale up support. If you don't want to serve new customers, tell them to take their business elsewhere. But if you want to be a big boy, you need to play like you are one.

But how else can they get an edge over any possible competition so that they can grow faster? Quarterly reports are coming faster and faster!

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by kif »

adam_arthur wrote: post #585
chamomeal wrote: post #575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think GPT is any better. I swear GPT-3 was the golden area of LLM prose. With a good fine tuning, you really couldn’t tell that an AI was writing (except for when it would devolve into utter nonsense lol)

Codex (5.6 Sol) is extremely to the point and direct in its responses. Often I'll tell it to summarize what it said only because it's providing too much detail, not that it's using esoteric language or weird claudisms. No idea why people are still using Claude models. My impression is they started on Claude Code and never tried Codex or other harness+model combos

That is true. On 5.6 I have noticed it to be a little bit more like Claude, which I dislike. But still way better than Claude.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by tock »

carlosjobim wrote: post #520
tock wrote: post #269

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I see it's important but trillions? How did you quantify that number?

Tourism and travel is 10% of global GDP, or about 10 trillion dollars. And it's not the only sector where translation between languages is a benefit. However, I am not sure that the trillions of dollars of value from LLM translation in the coming few years will translate into trillions of dollars of income for the AI companies.

Yep translation is going to be a free feature on all devices using on-device LLMs. I see no revenue flowing to AI companies.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by gehsty »

grumbelbart2 wrote: post #420
gehsty wrote: post #408

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I’m not certain of that - I feel like the enterprise zero retention policy will be tight?

Once a thief, always a thief. I would not trust them to not have the communications buried deep in some log files in cold storage, to be digested when suitable.

I don’t think any corporation would do anything to trigger the lawyers from MS / Google / Apple etc all at once.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by keybored »

kibibu wrote: post #570

This isn't the reason I'm considering leaving Anthropic. I don't think I can tolerate its writing style anymore. Reading Claude output is starting to cause actual psychological harm. I have tried many ways to get it to stop writing in its stupid punchy linked-in marketing-team voice, and I can't. Is there a model out there that sounds sound this awful? It's like rubbing sand into the folds of my brain.

> Reading Claude output is starting to cause actual psychological harm.

As a side note, I think we are about too dismissive of computers and the Internet as “not real life”, that stuff written in text boxes by humans are just sticks and stones, etc. And now that we shouldn’t anthro-po-morphize or whatever the LLMs. But I do think, at least for some of us, that there is no way to avoid certain impacts that even non-personal text can have on us. It can feel alienating to interface with five different people in order to figure out how to solve a problem or navigate some burocracy (think Kafka). Well just interacting with one single LLM can induce that same feeling. The long-winded replies and the uncanny ways to miss the context.

Disclaimer that for my own needs I would be happy if the whole AI thing crashed and burned post-haste.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by kbrannigan »

lelanthran wrote: post #518
echelon wrote: post #341

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And now I'm getting 10-20x as much done. I'd say the trade off is worth it. I'm struggling to scale myself even further. This tech is unreal and I have so many things I can do. For the first time, tech feels like the 90's-00's again. Everything is greenfield and exciting and big tech is struggling to figure out what to do about it. People are just hacking all kinds of stuff, and it's awesome. Feels like techno utopia…

> For the first time, tech feels like the 90's-00's again. It feels like the opposite of 90s - 00s: they were filled with periods where a person could self-study technology and get a job using those skills that few others had. Where we are going (according to the AI-proponents) is children being able to replace you. In brief; the 90s - 00s were a skill-valuation time, now we are looking at a skill devaluation time. U…

We used to get paid to code now we think we need to pay a subscription fee just to write software. They push marketing campaigns saying Manual coding no more, just vibe code, gain 10x speed for $100.

Then they hit you with hourly and weekly limits, you are wondering when you are going to get cut off. Since LLM at probabilistic it often feels like pulling the lever of a slot machine, hoping our prompt is the jackpot. To make sure we win, we come up with systems, convoluted agents, context pipelines, rags to load . It feels like it's working, then bam you reach weekly limits.

(Just pay more if you want to keep winning).

I think developers need to wake up.

I myself started to use AI like a fancy debugger ,explainer. I make it walk me though every single line of code it writes.

I notice that i run into limits less, if i get cutoff, i can still make changes

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