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Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles

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Re: Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles

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Post by RachelF »

aurareturn wrote: post #7

Hidden door handles, button open doors when inside the car, only touch screen buttons, rear red turn signal lights. Reverse these trends. They all suck and unsafe. Ok the rear red turn signal lights were already a trend in the US before Tesla. But please reverse this too. It's very difficult to see blinking red lights on the freeway when it's sunny. For you people out there who buy cars with red blinking signal light…

One more trend I'd like to reverse is the always on cellular data connection, reporting back to the car manufacturer where you are and how you are driving.

Re: Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles

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Post by nxpnsv »

boomlinde wrote: post #69
nxpnsv wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminder: You shouldn’t drive blindfolded, no matter how well you know your controls.

You shouldn't drive blindfolded, but have you given any thought to where your eyes should be pointed while driving?

I agree with the point, i hate the touch screens, and i think you should be able to control almost everything without taking your eyes off the road. The blindfold made me think of some david blaine stunt.

Re: Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles

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Post by frollogaston »

Shank wrote: post #13
frollogaston wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it only the Model S that has those electric door handles that pop out on their own? And the cheaper Model 3 has hidden ones that you pop out yourself.

That's correct but the interior door handles are electronic buttons. When you pull the exterior handle, during the time when you pull the handle the car also lowers the windows so the door can open.

Same as a convertible or some coupes, right? Except for the inside being a button

Re: Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles

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Post by ssl-3 »

jerlam wrote: post #60
Shank wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's correct but the interior door handles are electronic buttons. When you pull the exterior handle, during the time when you pull the handle the car also lowers the windows so the door can open.

Which is only important because someone at Tesla decided their cars must have frameless windows, despite it being a luxury feature that adds complication. Normal framed windows don't need any special handling of the windows when you open the door.

There have been other cars with frameless windows that didn't have this drop-before-opening feature.

2nd/3rd/4th-gen F-bodies (Camaro/Firebird), for example: All of these cars had frameless windows. None of them did an automatic drop. (And a lot of these cars didn't come with power windows to begin with.)

Re: Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles

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Post by cicko »

roncesvalles wrote: post #49
pudgywalsh wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allowing Silicon Valley dorks to redefine the established UIs of cars was one of the biggest mistakes of the last 10 years. Ultimately it's cost shaving, but it spread like a cancer to other manufacturers owing mostly to a TikTok-brained customer base (to their own detriment). It's one of the reasons I refuse to own a new car. Zero reason to hide critical controls behind a touch screen. My daily driver has all tactil…

The reason is cost savings. It's cheaper to modify software UI than it is to modify hardware UI.

There's no need to modify the hardware UI. It worked fine for decades.

Re: Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles

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Post by Bimos »

bestouff wrote: post #61
versteegen wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ok the rear red turn signal lights were already a trend in the US before Tesla. But please reverse this too. I'm surprised. But it shouldn't be up to Tesla; it's illegal and they never get on the road in countries with proper regulations.

You will never see those in the EU.

Never see this in China and didn't know it exists before.

Re: Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles

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Post by dist-epoch »

boomlinde wrote: post #68
aurareturn wrote: post #7

Hidden door handles, button open doors when inside the car, only touch screen buttons, rear red turn signal lights. Reverse these trends. They all suck and unsafe. Ok the rear red turn signal lights were already a trend in the US before Tesla. But please reverse this too. It's very difficult to see blinking red lights on the freeway when it's sunny. For you people out there who buy cars with red blinking signal light…

The whole thing would be a good example of dismantling Chesterton's fence, if the advantages of the traditional design of these things weren't obvious.

No it wouldn't, because there is no obvious fence here.

You can't call any change "dismantling Chesterton's fence" - "Windows made the corners of the windows round, users hated it, obvious example of Chesterton's fence"

Re: Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles

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Post by Bimos »

userbinator wrote: post #56
aurareturn wrote: post #7

Hidden door handles, button open doors when inside the car, only touch screen buttons, rear red turn signal lights. Reverse these trends. They all suck and unsafe. Ok the rear red turn signal lights were already a trend in the US before Tesla. But please reverse this too. It's very difficult to see blinking red lights on the freeway when it's sunny. For you people out there who buy cars with red blinking signal light…

Agree, except the red turn signals --- they've been the standard here for at least half a century... very difficult to see blinking red lights on the freeway when it's sunny. Perhaps because they're too small and the LEDs are not diffused enough. Red means Rear, and white means front, which is why reversing lights are white and front turn signals are (should be) yellow.

> Red means Rear, and white means front

And yellow means sides then? Make sense to me.

Re: Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles

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Post by userbinator »

Animats wrote: post #70

It's not "recessed" that's the issue. It's "mechanical".[1] China is requiring door handles openable from both inside and outside without power, and without any difficulty finding the release. Tesla model X manual: "Opening a Rear Door with No Power To open the falcon wing doors in the unlikely situation when Model X has no power, carefully remove the speaker grille from the door and pull the mechanical release cable…

in the unlikely situation when Model X has no power

carefully remove the speaker grille from the door and pull the mechanical release cable down and towards the front of the vehicle

This reads like satire.

Re: Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles

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Post by dist-epoch »

cherioo wrote: post #10
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #8

Good move. There's an interesting old article on the door handles here: > https://medium.com/@arunchidambaram/is-teslas-door-handle-an... In aerodynamic terms, door handles are nbd compared to side mirrors. Mirrors account for 6% of a car's aerodynamic drag. Door handles: roughly 0.2%. Basically they make no difference -- their effect is a rounding error -- and they were implemented for form-over-function style point…

What i hear is that electric door handle is more of a manufacturing cost-saving measure than an aerodynamic saving.

They look way more complicated than the previous mechanical locks.
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