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Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by pbreit »

a1371 wrote: post #113

Where Anthropic f'ed up was treating their monetization the way they treat model training. Turns out that success in experimentation is not transferrable. They have tried to find the highest that the market pays for sota models; however, on the consumer side, this is just too confusing and unsettling: "You can only use Fable for a week as a part of your plan" "Be ready! You have to start paying per token!" "Nevermind…

The incremental improvements seem like they are going to be pretty modest from this point.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by apt-apt-apt-apt »

mikert89 wrote: post #100

im using fable almost exclusively, i just buy a new 200$ license if i run out of capacity. its so much better, easily worth it given how much work I get done. I built a code, deploy, e2e test loop with my full aws infra, fable just implements linear tasks constantly, 5 at a time, tests the whole thing end to end if people dont see why they need a model this smart, they probably arent using ai enough

Isn't there a risk of getting banned if you do this (multiple accounts to bypass usage limits)?

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by codazoda »

adriand wrote: post #143
fluidcruft wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I agree with this. The constant state of "...will the rug be pulled?!?" does discourage relying on it as a model and building a workflow on it. Anthropic used to just be a reliable thing you could play with. Now it's this constant source of anxiety. It also didn't help that the government yanked it which adds another source of anxiety since OpenAI is on much better terms with the administration and the administ…

As soon as I started using Fable I was like, okay, this is probably as good a model as I will need for software engineering going forward. I still feel that way. I don’t need a better model, I need a faster Fable. The thing I miss most about programming is flow, and the constant bouncing between terminal tabs sucks. I’d love to do one thing at a time, with Fable, quickly.

You may or may not like agents mode. I also hate flipping tabs, but I enjoy using agent mode with well named sessions. I still stick with a single session until I must move to another, then I leave them around for a few days until I’m sure I won’t need to pick up where I left off again.

Command: claude agents

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by dyauspitr »

a1371 wrote: post #113

Where Anthropic f'ed up was treating their monetization the way they treat model training. Turns out that success in experimentation is not transferrable. They have tried to find the highest that the market pays for sota models; however, on the consumer side, this is just too confusing and unsettling: "You can only use Fable for a week as a part of your plan" "Be ready! You have to start paying per token!" "Nevermind…

DeepSeek is doing pretty much the same thing they said they weren’t going to change their prices after the 75% discount for the foreseeable future. That foreseeable future turned out to be two months.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by jmalicki »

adriand wrote: post #143
fluidcruft wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I agree with this. The constant state of "...will the rug be pulled?!?" does discourage relying on it as a model and building a workflow on it. Anthropic used to just be a reliable thing you could play with. Now it's this constant source of anxiety. It also didn't help that the government yanked it which adds another source of anxiety since OpenAI is on much better terms with the administration and the administ…

As soon as I started using Fable I was like, okay, this is probably as good a model as I will need for software engineering going forward. I still feel that way. I don’t need a better model, I need a faster Fable. The thing I miss most about programming is flow, and the constant bouncing between terminal tabs sucks. I’d love to do one thing at a time, with Fable, quickly.

There is GPT 5.6 Sol on Cerebras if you want to try that experience for an ungodly sum of money (not getting into GPT 5.6 Sol vs Fable, but only one is available on Cerebras) for an 11x speedup.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by ericol »

Bolwin wrote: post #128
ericol wrote: post #66

The problem is that they are not solving the problem they ought to be solving. I don't want Shakespeare, I want Bob the builder. Half of my work is telling claude how to behave. I'm pretty certain they have enough _data_ to realize people do the same thing time and time again. Check this comment of mine for a better explanation of this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49413353

They already do, extensively. Its not Shakespeare, in fact, it sucks at prose and creativity, like most newer llms. But people are not as alike as you think. I doubt I share your unique preferences. That said, I don't spend much time telling it how to behave. Are you sure you're not fighting the default system prompt?

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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by TylerE »

mirekrusin wrote: post #180

Poor analysis. Fable is not used because it has extra retention requirement that corps can't sign off so it stays disabled for everybody in many cases. It's also not winning on day to day work against Opus 5, which is simply available as there are no extra retention requirements and no extra paper work to do with legal. Devs also don't like that Fable refuses to work on half of their prompts. Then comes better pricin…

> It's also not winning on day to day work against Opus 5

In what universe? Hell, Opus 5 seems to be worse than Opus 4.6 at almost everything.

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