Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive
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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive
#182They've put themselves in a corner. Fable was too good and they gave it away with the $20 plan. It had to be a big step from Opus 4.8 to show progress, and Opus 4.8 is GREAT at coding in many different domains. But they're getting killed on token cost. They have to get people paying more for tokens. So then they put Fable in the $200 plan and release Opus 5. I'm suspicious of Opus 5. It is mostly worse than 4.8. It _…
The other thing I forgot to mention about Opus 5 is that at least out of the gate, it seemed very intent on spinning up agents and obliterating my token budget. It was noticeably more token hungry than 4.8. It would make sense for them to intend this behavior.
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#183Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
The other thing I forgot to mention about Opus 5 is that at least out of the gate, it seemed very intent on spinning up agents and obliterating my token budget. It was noticeably more token hungry than 4.8. It would make sense for them to intend this behavior.
This is likely because of your thinking level. The difference between max and ultracode is primarily that the latter is max with a bunch of agents.
Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think Anthropic wants a stable experience on their consumer subscription plans. It is just used for customer acquisition who will then ask their employer to pay for enterprise plan(assuming most employer care about data control) which is based on tokens. Most coders don't pay for tokens themselves. It's just on reddit and HN you would think that everybody does.
I pay for my tokens for my own projects, at least when the ones Google seems willing to keep throwing at me for free don't cut it. I'd think that's not too uncommon, especially here where there's likely a high ratio of hobby coders (whether also professionals or otherwise).
In my company the average claude token usage is something like $5k/month/employee. Most hobby coders don't spend anywhere close to it.
Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive
#186Of course I echo the universal: Opus 5 sucks. But what also sucks is still using 4.8. Are you all seeing this? It's like the older models got dumber just before Fable and Opus 5 were coming out? I've heard the theory that it's because 4.8 is getting put on older hardware? And I imagine that just ratchets down reasoning time then possibly? Sometimes I'm just trying to sus out if I'm truly seeing things these days or g…
I don't think it's something deliberately malicious like planned obsolescence but it's more like startup culture of "just make it fit in this sprint".
Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive
#187Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dario said in an interview that they originally wanted to be an enterprise only company.
What changed their mind?
(And failing that, there was a real risk for OpenAI to be the default for enterprises.)
To defeat that, you need to frontline employees the chance to experience better tooling and models which is where the subsidized subscriptions come in.
Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive
#189Of course I echo the universal: Opus 5 sucks. But what also sucks is still using 4.8. Are you all seeing this? It's like the older models got dumber just before Fable and Opus 5 were coming out? I've heard the theory that it's because 4.8 is getting put on older hardware? And I imagine that just ratchets down reasoning time then possibly? Sometimes I'm just trying to sus out if I'm truly seeing things these days or g…
Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The statistics bear this out. 4.8 still dominates. Where can I find these stats?
The article has a chart with this data. They credit “Ramp AI index”. The chart’s a bit confusing though, like what are the units of the y-axis?