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Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by anon7000 »

markbao wrote: post #70

I’m not sure if the underlying data is counting subscription use for Fable, which is where a lot of people are using it because token pricing is very expensive. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was counting enterprise token usage only. As rich as enterprise customers are, they’re not exactly willing to double the cost of SWE salaries on tokens. Either way, a model used to solve the top 10% of problems that people use…

Yeah as soon as CFOs realized AI was racing to become one of the most expensive line items along with salaries and AWS bills, they started cracking down on the most expensive ones.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by brookst »

verdverm wrote: post #3

I've always wondered why everyone flocks to SV's latest darling company. Have we not learned from our history of glorifying these SV darlings that turn hostile?

Some of us want to get work done and don’t feel the need to either glorify or hypothesize about what might happen.

I’m happy with Claude. If they become (bigger) jerks, I’ll switch to something else. I don’t ha e the energy to praise Anthropic today and I won’t have the energy to demonize them tomorrow. The emotional investment people have for/against these companies feels like celebrating or being offended by the weather.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by dham »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #4

Every software engineer in my company uses Claude code heavily. However we’ve never enabled Fable and only use Opus, Sonnet and Haiku. Nobody has complained and seems like for every use case we have Opus is more than powerful enough, especially with Opus 5

A model is just another thing to plugin to a harness. I don't give it much more thought than that. If developers are still caught up on Claude Code, or Codex that's just not a long term thing. It's best to develop workflows locally and in the cloud with open harnesses. I know this will be the future because that's how it worked on every other system that developers use.

Sure there are Microslop and Oracle db users but most of the world we live in is Postgres and Linux. That's why I think most companies will run llm's like that.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by almog »

rafaelmn wrote: post #52
GPerson wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fable is still on the $100 plan for me. (Maybe this is A/B testing or something.)

Might as well not be - I routinely get rate limited in a single review session. I've honestly stopped using CC and moved to codex. Sol has it's warts but I've never once hit limits on a 100€ and I get a similar level of performance for what I'm doing. I wouldn't mind bumping Fable to 200$ plan if it was actually better but between the insane caps, reverting to opus/sonnet randomly and having similar perf as OAI - I'm…

What do you mean by "review session"?

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Post by mmastrac »

ericol wrote: post #68
ikidd wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they've hobble Fable and Opus so hard with their safety guardrails, I ask innocuous questions and tasks and they get flagged so often I gave up on it. I can get all the work I need done in GPT5.5 or 5.6 without the hassle. I just kept a $20 plan going for use on my phone.

I had Fable bail on me because I used the word autopilot on a project. Changed to something unrelated, and off we went.

I found a crash in zsh and Fable refused to work after that.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by rowanG077 »

ieie3366 wrote: post #7

Fable is not a tool for the average user. It’s a professional tool for highly complex work. I would compare it to a extremely high end $15k PC, or an expensive pro-grade video camera, or a freight train, or a … I would say at least 95% of the global population will not encounter a situation once in their life where it would be actually useful/warranted.

I think highly complex work and “professional” work are basically completely orthogonal. You can have highly complex work you do as an amateur, where AI can be very useful. For example working through a difficult mathematical problem, building or contributing to an operating systems, or researching a highly technical topic for a hobby project such as microscopy, chip design or lithography.

And you can have extremely simple work that you nevertheless have to do as a professional. For example, drafting a routine customer email, summarizing a meeting, formatting a report, filling in standard documentation, or making a trivial code change.

So I don't think the $15k workstation / professional camera analogy really holds. Those are specialized tools whose capabilities are mostly useful within a fairly narrow domain. A general-purpose AI can be useful across thousands of completely unrelated tasks, including one-off problems encountered by ordinary people.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by sajithdilshan »

dham wrote: post #83
sajithdilshan wrote: post #4

Every software engineer in my company uses Claude code heavily. However we’ve never enabled Fable and only use Opus, Sonnet and Haiku. Nobody has complained and seems like for every use case we have Opus is more than powerful enough, especially with Opus 5

A model is just another thing to plugin to a harness. I don't give it much more thought than that. If developers are still caught up on Claude Code, or Codex that's just not a long term thing. It's best to develop workflows locally and in the cloud with open harnesses. I know this will be the future because that's how it worked on every other system that developers use. Sure there are Microslop and Oracle db users bu…

That’s not true. Before AI, I have been using Jetbrains IDEs as far as I can remember. Also have been using MacBooks for work since my first job. You don’t have to generalise everything. If a particular specialised tool is good at its job just use it instead of re-inventing the wheel
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