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Over 170k Nonprofits Lost All Their Data. Is Microsoft to Blame?

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Re: Over 170k Nonprofits Lost All Their Data. Is Microsoft to Blame?

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No Microsoft is not to blame. Whoever sells themselves into an all encompassing ecosystem with no exit plan or backup is to blame. It’s absolutely stupid thinking even if it’s the norm these days. The cloud is a convenience at most and an expensive one. You do everything you need to do somewhere else and pray that no one else gets in or you get shot. This is a warning to everyone else. Heed it.

MS is absolutely to blame for their part. Sure also the victim should have known better. So what?

Re: Over 170k Nonprofits Lost All Their Data. Is Microsoft to Blame?

#42
post #33

Yep, this is the sort of thing happens when you've deeply internalized that trustworthiness and continuity is not important. Microsoft today is not a serious company, it is not run by serious people, and it is at the forefront of a deeply unserious industry.

What does "serious" mean in this context?

Dependable.

Re: Over 170k Nonprofits Lost All Their Data. Is Microsoft to Blame?

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> What happened to Khosla was just one instance of a crisis that has rocked small nonprofit owners across the globe, who allege that Microsoft failed to communicate with them in a substantive manner about the license cancellations and left them unable to prepare their organizations for the future. As they’ve related online, these already resource-strapped nonprofits have lost troves of data, are struggling to continu…

> the official support channels in Microsoft are broken I can say, from first hand experience, the very best cloud providers have support channels that are, at the very least, unpleasant to use.

Yes, but its seems Microsoft is the most broken.

Re: Over 170k Nonprofits Lost All Their Data. Is Microsoft to Blame?

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their cloud provider was in charge of backups.

You can try to offload responsibility from them, but every IT and DevOps person that has an inkling of competence knows you don't store your backups in the same place as your prod data.

It wasn't?

Re: Over 170k Nonprofits Lost All Their Data. Is Microsoft to Blame?

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post #30

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As a daily Linux user and enthusiast, I detest statements like this. You did not read the article not the problem that those companies have and your only solution is "Use LibreOffice" without any actual interest in what their problem is or what an actual solution to their problems is. People like you push newbies away from Linux. Using LibreOffice does not give you web sharing, nor permission systems, nor automation…

Nope. I actually care enough to make this statement. Using such subscription products and then getting rug pulled isn't something easy for non technical users. So just start with sovereign, better governed products with clear transparent pricing and better affordability to begin with. Data interchange formats are more important than ever, and having programs that don't do too many things is just as important. Not eve…

Again, you're clearly showing you know nothing about running actual IT for actual companies.

Re: Over 170k Nonprofits Lost All Their Data. Is Microsoft to Blame?

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post #46
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. I actually care enough to make this statement. Using such subscription products and then getting rug pulled isn't something easy for non technical users. So just start with sovereign, better governed products with clear transparent pricing and better affordability to begin with. Data interchange formats are more important than ever, and having programs that don't do too many things is just as important. Not eve…

Again, you're clearly showing you know nothing about running actual IT for actual companies.

Oh Boo Hoo. IT departments for Non Profits that aren't actually like OpenAI. Right.

Re: Over 170k Nonprofits Lost All Their Data. Is Microsoft to Blame?

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a daily Linux user and enthusiast, I detest statements like this. You did not read the article not the problem that those companies have and your only solution is "Use LibreOffice" without any actual interest in what their problem is or what an actual solution to their problems is. People like you push newbies away from Linux. Using LibreOffice does not give you web sharing, nor permission systems, nor automation…

Nope. I actually care enough to make this statement. Using such subscription products and then getting rug pulled isn't something easy for non technical users. So just start with sovereign, better governed products with clear transparent pricing and better affordability to begin with. Data interchange formats are more important than ever, and having programs that don't do too many things is just as important. Not eve…

As another linux user, as in for everything, desktop, home & work, not just servers at work, for decades by now... they were correct. This kind of statement is counterproductive. It might not be thoughtless, but if not then it's the result of poor quality thought, so lack of thought would actually be the lesser insult.

Re: Over 170k Nonprofits Lost All Their Data. Is Microsoft to Blame?

#49

No Microsoft is not to blame. Whoever sells themselves into an all encompassing ecosystem with no exit plan or backup is to blame. It’s absolutely stupid thinking even if it’s the norm these days. The cloud is a convenience at most and an expensive one. You do everything you need to do somewhere else and pray that no one else gets in or you get shot. This is a warning to everyone else. Heed it.

Please avoid this kind of scolding, berating tone on HN, and omit sneers, swipes, and name-calling from comments. The guidelines make it clear we're here for curious conversation, not this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Over 170k Nonprofits Lost All Their Data. Is Microsoft to Blame?

#50
post #10

People are better off using LibreOffice on a Linux desktop

Statements like this immediately reveal that the commenter has never once seen a real live corporate IT department

Right. Well funded corporate IT environments losing access to their data because Microsoft screws them over. Perfect. That's not what I'm reading here.
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