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Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by spacestation » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 4:43 AM UTC

54mf wrote: post #173

spacestation wrote: post #59

deleting your account is futile, photographs will still remain on their AWS account. after deleting one of my accounts, I was suspicious that they would still keep the photographs. So to test this, I made a dummy account named after where i live; nikkojapan http://instagram.com/nikkojapan/ i made a quick pointless photograph just to upload http://instagram.com/p/K8bx_ZB59K/ Here is the link that still exists to the p…

This is actually kind of a big deal. Have you sent this info to any tech blogs?

I have commented on blog posts of tech blogs about it using ...but, they hasn't been noticed yet.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by spacestation » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 4:48 AM UTC

spacestation wrote: post #59

deleting your account is futile, photographs will still remain on their AWS account. after deleting one of my accounts, I was suspicious that they would still keep the photographs. So to test this, I made a dummy account named after where i live; nikkojapan http://instagram.com/nikkojapan/ i made a quick pointless photograph just to upload http://instagram.com/p/K8bx_ZB59K/ Here is the link that still exists to the p…

I need to note that the date I "deleted" my photographs was May 25, 2012. That is 7 months ago and still in the possession of Facebook.

Also, I forgot to include the screenshot of the photograph being hosted on the dummy account just before I deleted it and the account; http://spacestation.co/I1ry

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by spacestation » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 4:54 AM UTC

TeeWEE wrote: post #68

spacestation wrote: post #59

deleting your account is futile, photographs will still remain on their AWS account. after deleting one of my accounts, I was suspicious that they would still keep the photographs. So to test this, I made a dummy account named after where i live; nikkojapan http://instagram.com/nikkojapan/ i made a quick pointless photograph just to upload http://instagram.com/p/K8bx_ZB59K/ Here is the link that still exists to the p…

Isn't that against their privacy policy?

"privacy policy"...This is Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook we are talking about and a guy named Kevin Systrom that falling in line very subserviently.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by spacestation » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 4:56 AM UTC

54mf wrote: post #173

spacestation wrote: post #59

deleting your account is futile, photographs will still remain on their AWS account. after deleting one of my accounts, I was suspicious that they would still keep the photographs. So to test this, I made a dummy account named after where i live; nikkojapan http://instagram.com/nikkojapan/ i made a quick pointless photograph just to upload http://instagram.com/p/K8bx_ZB59K/ Here is the link that still exists to the p…

This is actually kind of a big deal. Have you sent this info to any tech blogs?

how do you suppose I should approach them..

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by spacestation » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 4:57 AM UTC

meerita wrote: post #73

spacestation wrote: post #59

deleting your account is futile, photographs will still remain on their AWS account. after deleting one of my accounts, I was suspicious that they would still keep the photographs. So to test this, I made a dummy account named after where i live; nikkojapan http://instagram.com/nikkojapan/ i made a quick pointless photograph just to upload http://instagram.com/p/K8bx_ZB59K/ Here is the link that still exists to the p…

Deleting the photos doesn't work even?

I would say no... I "deleted" these photographs back in May.. and they are still on AWS.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by darkarmani » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 6:07 AM UTC

InclinedPlane wrote: post #197

Is there a lawyer around? How legal is this? It's one thing if instagram uses a picture of you for advertising purposes, since you have agreed to their ToS. However, how do they know which pictures are of you and which are of other people? They shouldn't have any legal right to use pictures of other people for advertising purposes, as far as I understand, because there is no contract involved.

I think you are right. There are two rights involved with this: copyright and model releases. Only the person in the photograph can sign away the rights to their likeness. I'm not sure how they'd be able to use these photos in a commercial manner without model release for each person in the photos.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by darkarmani » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 6:11 AM UTC

nphrk wrote: post #149

The copyright issue can be a bit tricky. Assuming that Instagram goes on and sells users' pictures - who's liable if somebody uploads a picture which he/she doesn't own, and then Instagram goes on and sells that to a third party?

More than that -- how is Instagram getting model releases for everyone in the photos?

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by thinkling » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 8:06 AM UTC

thinkling wrote: post #24

So the claim that Instagram is establishing the right to sell your photos is supported in the article with this language: It says that "a business or other entity may pay us to display your... photos... in connection with paid or sponsored content or promotions, without any compensation to you." I read this as intended to say "when we display your photos (as part of our own service), we may serve up ads to be display…

Bingo! In Tuesday's blog post, Mr. Systrom sought to quell the mounting unrest and reassure users that the company would not be peddling photographs of children playing on the beach or friends partying in nightclubs to the highest bidder.

"To be clear, it is not our intention to sell your photos," he said.

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/apps/news/facebook-responds-to-anger...

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by hamoid » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 10:48 AM UTC

PJones wrote: post #185

spacestation wrote: post #59

deleting your account is futile, photographs will still remain on their AWS account. after deleting one of my accounts, I was suspicious that they would still keep the photographs. So to test this, I made a dummy account named after where i live; nikkojapan http://instagram.com/nikkojapan/ i made a quick pointless photograph just to upload http://instagram.com/p/K8bx_ZB59K/ Here is the link that still exists to the p…

Just tried deleting a photo, and it looks like they remove the image straight away in that case: http://distillery.s3.amazonaws.com/media/2010/10/08/92944289... Hopefully it just takes a little time when deleting the account to go through and delete the individual photos, but I'll be deleting the individual photos before I delete my account to be safe.

I've been trying to delete individual photos and I think they limit the rate at which you can do this. I feel it's something like 10 photos per hour. If I try to delete more, they just pop back in on my Android phone.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by rjsamson » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 6:43 PM UTC

fleitz wrote: post #183

rjsamson wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That old TOS is pretty standard language required for any online service to show photos that you upload. Flickr, Google, etc are all pretty similar. A few times a year a bunch of FUD springs up among more old-school photographers who become terrified that such language means that Flickr (or Google) wants to steal and own all of their images. These new TOS however - absolutely appalling. In the past year we've seen pr…

Perhaps those professionals should contact Instagram about the valuable service they provide and how much they can pay for this service that promotes their business. I'm shocked, shocked to find out that Instagram plans to monetize their service via advertising.

Google Plus monetizes via advertising. Google Plus is also extremely photographer friendly and has cultivated a large thriving community of professional photographers. The Instagram terms are just ghastly.