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Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10k individuals may be neurotypical

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Re: Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10k individuals may be neurotypical

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Post by AnthonBerg »

watwut wrote: post #27
roenxi wrote: post #4

I'm torn on whether I like this parody. It is quite funny and IMO in good taste (which is hard to do when diagnosing 9,625 out of every 10,000 as deficient). It probably works well as an in-joke for people who prefer critical thinking to social proof. But it isn't really appropriate to fight fire with fire when it comes to calling people disordered and the people who need to hear the message won't understand it becau…

> t probably works well as an in-joke for people who prefer critical thinking to social proof. Autistic and neuroatypical are not better critical thinkers. Fairly often they just ... dont understand certain things. And wont accept clear straightforward plain language explanation of what others want, because in their heads they should not.

Allistic and neurotypical people are not better critical thinkers either. Fairly often they just… don't understand certain things.

And wont accept clear straightforward plain language explanation of what others want, because in their heads they should not.

Re: Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10k individuals may be neurotypical

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Post by effed3 »

Oh yes and probably the authors themselves have a related form on neuro-atypical-divergence know as neuro-tragically-compulsive-analisys disorder, related to a quite common social-accademic-pressure about being in control and classificate all things they do not have in control and that they do not clearly can relate with, causing a pathology, relatively benign, consisting in create pseudo-scientific-terms to apply to all those things, and disseminate it at large for their inner-related causal-impulse of saving all the world, and their social-satisfied ego.

seriously (just a little): the world, the life, is way more various then all their philosopy.. live and let live is a good starting point for anything..

Re: Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10k individuals may be neurotypical

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Post by effed3 »

blooalien wrote: post #59
iinnPP wrote: post #24

As someone who relates to the article, it reads a lot less like humor. It's a grim reality. Constantly being told there's something wrong with you, only to see clearly those around you, has a profoundly awful impact. Eventually it's replaced by more accurate internal modeling.

> Constantly being told there's something wrong with you Worse yet, there's likely much less wrong with you than there is with those who feel they need to label you as somehow "less" to feel like "more" themselves.

+1

Re: Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10k individuals may be neurotypical

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Post by TheGoddessInari »

rppz wrote: post #50

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Given the author of the page, I would completely agree with her assessment-- especially given what's happened in the ~28 years that have passed since the site went up.

You "instantly losing respect" because an autistic person dares value her own mind when others pathologize is part of the point of why it was posted. The satire wasn't there to seek approval in 1998 in the first place, amazingly.

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Post by danparsonson »

chadcmulligan wrote: post #12

I sometimes wonder if there are other possible neurodivergence, I'm not neurotypical, but I'm also not autistic (at least according to the criteria I've seen), just a bit odd or quirky doesn't seem to be enough.

Have you looked into ADHD?

Re: Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10k individuals may be neurotypical

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Post by danparsonson »

austin-cheney wrote: post #3

> This site is an expression of autistic outrage. Obviously. It would come off as sarcastic humor if so many of the basic facts were correct. Neurotypical people are only just above 80% of the population, so the author is in more common company than they believe.

Well the original is more than 20 years old; hopefully they are feeling a bit happier now.

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Post by benj111 »

dofm wrote: post #63
ozlikethewizard wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you not think that if your life consisted of chasing a gazelle once or twice a week you'd be suited to it? Evolutionary timelines are long.

More suited to it than others? No. There is no upside to what I experience. The genes for ADHD and autism survive because their consequences do not kill all their bearers before they get a chance to breed. The appalling thing for me is that I have spent my life telling myself there are upsides; I have now reached an age and a set of life experiences where it is very clear there never were.

You can accept yourself though, which seems to be the important element.

If you can't walk you have a disability, but that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't live a fulfilling life.

I do have Autism, rather than ADHD, so I appreciate we probably have different viewpoints on this.

Re: Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10k individuals may be neurotypical

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Post by danaris »

ozlikethewizard wrote: post #36
Uptrenda wrote: post #17

The neurodivergent label was always incredibly stupid though. It's an entire movement trying to make it sound that having a pathological condition is fashionable. Something like a super quirky, human difference, as opposed to a health problem. Even though the condition is defined in the context of reduced functioning in society. OPs site is a good example of that flawed line of thinking. The bigger issue is that the…

It's not a health problem though. Neurodivergency (christ I hate that word) is far more prevalent than you'd expect, particularly ASD and ADHD, some 20% of the population. These traits have self selected for a reason, and any issues encountered are a fault of modern society not the individual imo.

This is absolutely untrue.

Sure, there are autistic and ADHD traits that are primarily a problem because of the structure of our modern society.

But just you try being severely ADHD, and ending up with your yogurt going bad on the counter and growing mold because your clutter blindness made you not notice it was there for 3 weeks. Or you start reading a good book, and 10 hours later you realize that you haven't had anything to eat all day, and neither has your cat. Or you just literally cannot force yourself to do basic household chores, and because you're undiagnosed you don't know why, and your roommates/significant other just decide you're lazy and selfish and kick you out.

There are plenty of neurodivergent traits that have never been net-positive, regardless if they have some specific evolutionary reason for existing. (We don't even know that they do; they may just come along for the ride with the other traits. We don't yet understand the neurophysiology of these conditions well enough to say to what extent they're just knock-on effects of something deeper.)

Re: Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10k individuals may be neurotypical

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Post by benj111 »

stephbook wrote: post #44
Uptrenda wrote: post #17

The neurodivergent label was always incredibly stupid though. It's an entire movement trying to make it sound that having a pathological condition is fashionable. Something like a super quirky, human difference, as opposed to a health problem. Even though the condition is defined in the context of reduced functioning in society. OPs site is a good example of that flawed line of thinking. The bigger issue is that the…

It's understandable though. Would you like to think of yourself as deficient, even if you really are?

But you're kind of missing the point.

If you were immensely intelligent to the point that most of the population found your ground breaking insight boring. Would you think you were deficient? Or different? What would others think of you? If they don't appreciate your immense intelligence they'd just think you're boring because you talk about random maths nonsense.

Is the $SPORT fan that insists on discussing sport, in a group where no one else likes sport 'deficient'? What about the non $SPORT fan in a group of fans who insist on discussing the latest game?

Re: Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10k individuals may be neurotypical

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Post by chadcmulligan »

danparsonson wrote: post #75
chadcmulligan wrote: post #12

I sometimes wonder if there are other possible neurodivergence, I'm not neurotypical, but I'm also not autistic (at least according to the criteria I've seen), just a bit odd or quirky doesn't seem to be enough.

Have you looked into ADHD?

Thanks, I didn't really mean it was a negative, perhaps this is indicative of the problem - someone finds things odd, therefore here's a list of diagnoses. I should up my dosage of soma probably.
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