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hdiutil is deprecated in macOS 27 Golden Gate

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Re: hdiutil is deprecated in macOS 27 Golden Gate

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Post by eptcyka »

lukeify wrote: post #30

> Yes, Apple requested an iOS sysdiagnose for a macOS bug Dealing with Apple's labyrinth maze that is Radar/Feedback is an exhausting nightmare, honestly. It leaves users intentionally blind as to the state of any FB's they raise, and (presumably unintentionally) gaslights users who attempt to improve the state of Apple's declining software products by repeatedly asking them for spindumps/sysdiagnoses that will subse…

We’ve received many an email urging us to reach out to Apple via Feedback Assistant. We of course have, multiple times. We’re told that we will strike gold if we just resubmit a bug report to some other part of the company. Yet, the APIs are still broken, and break again with new releases. Sometimes they get back to us to clarify something, often they do not. Some things have been fixed, most have not.

I understand the realities of sifting through millions of reports, but the futility of being told to report harder and fighting with UX breaking bugs does not inspire confidence in Apple’s software teams. The bugs I am referring to are interactions where an app cannot update automatically or manually if you set this one flag, or your socket never fires any callbacks if you set the one cool flag, or this view mostly always fires a callback on dismissal, but not always. Some things we can work around, with varying degrees of effort. Some we cannot. It is very clear to me that nobody tests the things we run into, for I cannot imagine how anyone would let this stuff pass into production otherwise.

Re: hdiutil is deprecated in macOS 27 Golden Gate

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #47
pudgywalsh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Haven’t they actually done a relatively good job in this regard in many ways? No. Can't run current versions of any apps including Chrome, Edge, and Safari. Meanwhile the hardware is perfectly fine and could run a supported version of Windows or Linux. Call me when Apple has a "LTSC" version of their OS. (Spoiler: they won't, ever. Supporting Apple in an enterprise is nothing short of a nightmare.)

This is partially on third-party devs' shoulders. There are community-maintained backports of Chromium and Mozilla for old versions of macOS, which means it isn't strictly impossible, but Google and Mozilla just don't bother and cut off compatibility earlier there than on other platforms. It's even possible to build Mac apps to run on everything from OS X 10.4 (2005) through macOS 27 (2026) across PowerPC, Intel, and…

Command-line tools are fine like this; a full-fledged GUI apps, not so much on account of how Cocoa/AppKit/UIKit evolved. Your x86_64 slice would have to deal with all shenanigans between 10.7 and 26, and I suspect it’s not fun at all.

Re: hdiutil is deprecated in macOS 27 Golden Gate

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Post by stasomatic »

lapcat wrote: post #82
stasomatic wrote: post #54

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> It's in vogue to rag on Apple because of its size/influence/market cap. Article author here. I've been a Mac developer and blogging about the Mac since 2006, before iPhone was even announced, when Apple was much smaller in size/influence/market cap. Nothing about my blog is "in vogue". > I've used hdutil perhaps never. Why are you commenting on an article about hdiutil, which you've never used and can't even spell?…

Hi lapcat, apologies, I meant no disrespect to you in my comment. I had a knee jerk reaction to what seemed to me "another Apple bad" post and exercised bad judgement. Cheers.

Re: hdiutil is deprecated in macOS 27 Golden Gate

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Post by lapcat »

stasomatic wrote: post #93
lapcat wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's in vogue to rag on Apple because of its size/influence/market cap. Article author here. I've been a Mac developer and blogging about the Mac since 2006, before iPhone was even announced, when Apple was much smaller in size/influence/market cap. Nothing about my blog is "in vogue". > I've used hdutil perhaps never. Why are you commenting on an article about hdiutil, which you've never used and can't even spell?…

Hi lapcat, apologies, I meant no disrespect to you in my comment. I had a knee jerk reaction to what seemed to me "another Apple bad" post and exercised bad judgement. Cheers.

Thank you. I appreciate the comment.

It's just frustrating that knee-jerk reactions are ubiquitous in the Hacker News comments, on every popular submission, despite the site guidelines urging the opposite.

Re: hdiutil is deprecated in macOS 27 Golden Gate

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Post by my123 »

sunshowers wrote: post #27
bbatsell wrote: post #4

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Agreed. seatbelt/sandbox-exec has been “deprecated” for many, many years yet it still underlies all of the system’s sandboxing and Claude et al. use it for their own sandboxes. (And so do I — writing seatbelt rules is the only chance I get to write lisp-flavored anything these days.)

This is only tangentially related, but libuv and mio's Windows implementations use the undocumented AFD readiness-based poll interface [1], since there isn't a documented readiness-based interface on Windows. The undocumented interface is now effectively stable since, among other reasons, Microsoft uses Tokio in some of its products. [1] https://github.com/tokio-rs/mio/blob/master/src/sys/windows/...

Windows has a stable syscall ABI today officially, for supporting down-level containers:

> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowscont...

> Decoupling the User/Kernel boundary in Windows is a monumental task and highly non-trivial, however, we have been working hard to stabilize this boundary across all of Windows to provide our customers the flexibility to run down-level containers. Starting with Windows 11 and Windows Server 2022 we are enabling the ability to run process-isolated WS2022 containers on Windows 11 hosts.

Re: hdiutil is deprecated in macOS 27 Golden Gate

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Post by stasomatic »

lapcat wrote: post #94
stasomatic wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi lapcat, apologies, I meant no disrespect to you in my comment. I had a knee jerk reaction to what seemed to me "another Apple bad" post and exercised bad judgement. Cheers.

Thank you. I appreciate the comment. It's just frustrating that knee-jerk reactions are ubiquitous in the Hacker News comments, on every popular submission, despite the site guidelines urging the opposite.

In my case, this forum is habit forming to engage in the comment section. If a post has enough comments, to me it signals it's an interesting topic, never mind if I don't know anything about the subject matter, there might be very smart folks sharing knowledge. Comments can veer wildly off the original topic and I find that also appealing. This is "unfair" to the submitted post, of course, but ... HN is still here.

Now back to hdiutil.

Re: hdiutil is deprecated in macOS 27 Golden Gate

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Post by akerl_ »

dosisking wrote: post #83
akerl_ wrote: post #73

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"can't" here isn't really the right word. They obviously could, in the same way that a company making $4.5 million could . But there's a near infinite number of things they could do; they're constantly choosing which to actually do. AI has made my life more productive and I could use the time it's saved me to go for a run, but here I am.

> AI has made my life more productive and I could use the time it's saved me to go for a run, but here I am. So in reality, AI has not changed your productivity at all, because you are using the extra time you saved to post on HN

That was the joke, yes.

Re: hdiutil is deprecated in macOS 27 Golden Gate

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Post by lapcat »

stasomatic wrote: post #96
lapcat wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. I appreciate the comment. It's just frustrating that knee-jerk reactions are ubiquitous in the Hacker News comments, on every popular submission, despite the site guidelines urging the opposite.

In my case, this forum is habit forming to engage in the comment section. If a post has enough comments, to me it signals it's an interesting topic, never mind if I don't know anything about the subject matter, there might be very smart folks sharing knowledge. Comments can veer wildly off the original topic and I find that also appealing. This is "unfair" to the submitted post, of course, but ... HN is still here. N…

> Comments can veer wildly off the original topic

I'm not complaining about tangents, though, but rather about dismissive insults. A tangent is a conversation starter, whereas a knee-jerk dismissal is a conversation stopper.

Re: hdiutil is deprecated in macOS 27 Golden Gate

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #92
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is partially on third-party devs' shoulders. There are community-maintained backports of Chromium and Mozilla for old versions of macOS, which means it isn't strictly impossible, but Google and Mozilla just don't bother and cut off compatibility earlier there than on other platforms. It's even possible to build Mac apps to run on everything from OS X 10.4 (2005) through macOS 27 (2026) across PowerPC, Intel, and…

Command-line tools are fine like this; a full-fledged GUI apps, not so much on account of how Cocoa/AppKit/UIKit evolved. Your x86_64 slice would have to deal with all shenanigans between 10.7 and 26, and I suspect it’s not fun at all.

It's certainly more challenging for user-facing apps with UIs, but still doable. XLD does it. The key is to keep the UI simple, avoid chasing design trends, and avoid custom widgets.

Re: hdiutil is deprecated in macOS 27 Golden Gate

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Post by select1 »

deathanatos wrote: post #80
select1 wrote: post #16

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I play a number of commercial games on Linux. The best behaved ones are the native ones (Factorio, Stardew, Celeste), though the Proton/Wine-based ones (Noita, Enter the Gungeon) usually do alright as well. Netflix's problem is Netflix's problem. There is no technical reason why 1080p (and probably 4k) can't work on Linux, today. That's just plain ole head-up-DRM-ass, and Linux can't fix stupid.

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