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Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10k individuals may be neurotypical

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Re: Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10k individuals may be neurotypical

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Post by dgellow »

lukeify wrote: post #16
spider-mario wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neurodivergence does not require a diagnosis. https://sherlocksflataffect.tumblr.com/post/121295972384/psa... And looking outwards is exactly what it does since it references societal neuronormativity. It’s not about the “shortcomings you have”.

If you're looking outwards merely just to look inwards again, then you're missing the point of what I'm trying to say.

What’s your point? I also don’t get it. Neurotypicality is by definition outward, neurodivergence is defined by your relation to the overall society expectations

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Post by chadcmulligan »

spider-mario wrote: post #13
chadcmulligan wrote: post #12

I sometimes wonder if there are other possible neurodivergence, I'm not neurotypical, but I'm also not autistic (at least according to the criteria I've seen), just a bit odd or quirky doesn't seem to be enough.

Neurodivergent is absolutely not a synonym for autistic. https://sherlocksflataffect.tumblr.com/post/121295972384/psa... https://neuroqueer.com/neurodiversity-terms-and-definitions/

Thanks for the links - from the OP post "Neurotypical syndrome is a neurobiological disorder characterized by preoccupation with social concerns, delusions of superiority, and obsession with conformity." I know this is a gag, but I see things like this and think oh maybe I'm autistic but no, I have the same complaints autistic people have, I just call it deathly dull, who knows.

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Post by lukan »

austin-cheney wrote: post #18
lukeify wrote: post #9

Is there value to people constantly self-diagnosing themselves or seeking clinical diagnoses for neurodivergency? I don't mean this in a disparaging way; but surely constantly seeking to remind both yourself and society of your neurodivergency and any shortcomings you have with that seems almost like a crab bucket mentality that you are enveloping yourself with. I don't have a problem with people looking inwards, but…

Some can be improved with meditation. For example there is a roughly 60% comorbidity of ASD and ADHD and the ADHD portion can be improved with certain nonstimulant medications. Another example is that some disorders like psychosis and schizophrenia could pose harm that demands intervention.

I wouldn't put ADHD and psychosis in the same bucket.

Some is being different to various degrees(with having more problems to adjust to modern life without medication), the other is having a mental illness where most cannot perceive reality undistorted anymore.

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Post by iinnPP »

As someone who relates to the article, it reads a lot less like humor. It's a grim reality.

Constantly being told there's something wrong with you, only to see clearly those around you, has a profoundly awful impact. Eventually it's replaced by more accurate internal modeling.

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Post by spider-mario »

lukeify wrote: post #16
spider-mario wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neurodivergence does not require a diagnosis. https://sherlocksflataffect.tumblr.com/post/121295972384/psa... And looking outwards is exactly what it does since it references societal neuronormativity. It’s not about the “shortcomings you have”.

If you're looking outwards merely just to look inwards again, then you're missing the point of what I'm trying to say.

What does your point look like when you remove the presumption of shortcomings? I feel that it’s you who might have missed the point of the original post, unless you were just making an unrelated point because neurodivergence happened to be mentioned.

> Neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one, or the only correct one. […] NTs are often intolerant of seemingly minor differences in others. When in groups NTs are socially and behaviorally rigid, and frequently insist upon the performance of dysfunctional, destructive, and even impossible rituals as a way of maintaining group identity.

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Post by wyre »

lukeify wrote: post #9

Is there value to people constantly self-diagnosing themselves or seeking clinical diagnoses for neurodivergency? I don't mean this in a disparaging way; but surely constantly seeking to remind both yourself and society of your neurodivergency and any shortcomings you have with that seems almost like a crab bucket mentality that you are enveloping yourself with. I don't have a problem with people looking inwards, but…

Yes. We seek answers to why we feel so different or out of place socially living in a society. It has nothing to do with reminding ourselves of our shortcomings (although some do find humor in self-deprecation), but with the ways that society constantly reminds us that our brains are not wired the same way as everyone else. Frankly to even consider neurodivergency as shortcomings or a crab bucket mentality only furthers the narrative that neurodivergency is inherently a negative trait, when that is categorically false. It is much closer to feeling like a square in a world full of circular holes and the desire for diagnosis lies in understanding that.

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Post by watwut »

roenxi wrote: post #4

I'm torn on whether I like this parody. It is quite funny and IMO in good taste (which is hard to do when diagnosing 9,625 out of every 10,000 as deficient). It probably works well as an in-joke for people who prefer critical thinking to social proof. But it isn't really appropriate to fight fire with fire when it comes to calling people disordered and the people who need to hear the message won't understand it becau…

> t probably works well as an in-joke for people who prefer critical thinking to social proof.

Autistic and neuroatypical are not better critical thinkers. Fairly often they just ... dont understand certain things.

And wont accept clear straightforward plain language explanation of what others want, because in their heads they should not.

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Post by matsemann »

lukeify wrote: post #9

Is there value to people constantly self-diagnosing themselves or seeking clinical diagnoses for neurodivergency? I don't mean this in a disparaging way; but surely constantly seeking to remind both yourself and society of your neurodivergency and any shortcomings you have with that seems almost like a crab bucket mentality that you are enveloping yourself with. I don't have a problem with people looking inwards, but…

> people constantly self-diagnosing

Is this actually happening widely, or just in some spaces and it blows it out of proportions?

> constantly seeking to remind both yourself and society of your neurodivergency and any shortcomings you have with that seems almost like a crab bucket mentality

Is this what's happening or what you believe is happening? To me, it however looks like much more people are getting the help and support they need for this, compared to when I was a teenager. To me it's not learned helplessness or what it is you're trying to describe, but learning how to navigate society, and society being more aware of other's struggles. In the same vein that learning about structural racism isn't about disparaging people, but lifting everyone.

"Shortcomings" may even be the wrong word, as for many it's just different, not worse or better. Hence educating people like you is good.

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Post by jimnotgym »

lukeify wrote: post #9

Is there value to people constantly self-diagnosing themselves or seeking clinical diagnoses for neurodivergency? I don't mean this in a disparaging way; but surely constantly seeking to remind both yourself and society of your neurodivergency and any shortcomings you have with that seems almost like a crab bucket mentality that you are enveloping yourself with. I don't have a problem with people looking inwards, but…

Yes. It tells you to stop trying to fit in with the NT world and get on with being who you are. It could save you from a neurodivergent breakdown in your 40s that could take years to recover from. I trivialise because my wife is pressuring me to get of hn and drive her somewhere.

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Post by [deleted] »

JohnMakin wrote: post #11
lukeify wrote: post #9

Is there value to people constantly self-diagnosing themselves or seeking clinical diagnoses for neurodivergency? I don't mean this in a disparaging way; but surely constantly seeking to remind both yourself and society of your neurodivergency and any shortcomings you have with that seems almost like a crab bucket mentality that you are enveloping yourself with. I don't have a problem with people looking inwards, but…

Why do you think this person is self diagnosed?

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