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Re: Anthropic IPO filing will show AI backlash as a risk factor, sources say

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Post by downrightmike »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #29

I said it [1][2] when OpenAI was supposed to go public "next week" and I'll say it again today: neither Antropic nor OpenAI are going public in the coming few years. The moment they go public is the moment the music stops and everyone who still has their head in the sand realizes that they now can't deny there's no money to make in selling AI models, only money to lose. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=482112…

It all implodes once they can't afford to lock up all the RAM and SSD, and/or when the reduced resources environment(private/China) models get good enough to negate frontier lead / become equivalent (almost there)

Re: Anthropic IPO filing will show AI backlash as a risk factor, sources say

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Post by vrganj »

jiaosdjf wrote: post #53

The risk is that we rise up and violently lynch the elites when they try to implement autonomous AI mass surveillance backed by an army of robots to quell the growing unrest of unemployed "useless eaters". It's a big risk and the only ways to mitigate it are either: a) build the dystopian system quickly and violently killing all dissenters on sight b) build a utopian system where robots build our houses, grow our foo…

Socialism or Barbarism! - Rosa Luxemburg

Re: Anthropic IPO filing will show AI backlash as a risk factor, sources say

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Post by newsomix9xl »

dragontamer wrote: post #32
newsomix9xl wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is AI in the category of oil, cigs, and beer? Its software ....

The electricity usage is off the charts. Every place that gets a data center has their electricity prices go up. Consumers are now fighting to stop data centers from coming into their hometowns. It's not like Data centers have lots of jobs that benefit a community anyway. It's basically a building that eats a local city's resources and gives barely anything back in return. At best, an AI data center is a year job for…

The electrical price argument I find unconvincing.

If this is a shortage of electrical capacity the data center didn't arrange that. I'm pretty sure they want plentiful cheap electricity.

And the data center doesn't set the price: that's the utility and regulators.

Yet the consumer is blamed for poor regulation and low supply?

Re: Anthropic IPO filing will show AI backlash as a risk factor, sources say

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Post by jryle70 »

nozzlegear wrote: post #57
jryle70 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Everyone hates us but they can't have enough of us. Our revenue can't stop rising" Anthropic's credit line is now $10B - [0], and the IPO is expected to beat or match SpaceX - [1] [0] https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/anthropic-p... [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-08-20/anthropic...

This doesn't really refute what they said. The fact that they make a lot of money doesn't mean the public doesn't hate them or that they won't find themselves facing anti-AI backlash in the near or far future.

Huh? "Everyone hates us and the very fundamentals of what we are promising"

First of all everyone? Based on what?

Second of all "they hate our guts and the core of what we're doing (fundamentals), but they can't have enough of us". Are you sure the society (everyone) is that self loathe or HN is in a giant bubble?

AI clearly causes disruption, anxiety, uncertainty, and will be negative for certain groups, just like anything with major impacts in the history. But hate by everyone? people who consider themselves smart and well informed should really be more objective and level headed.

Re: Anthropic IPO filing will show AI backlash as a risk factor, sources say

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Post by simianwords »

seattle_spring wrote: post #58
simianwords wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its a bit sad that the public can't grasp tools that have high variance but still end up being useful. lots of things in real life follow the same pattern yet when it comes to AI..

AI backlash is not because of "high variance"...

i didn't say it was

Re: Anthropic IPO filing will show AI backlash as a risk factor, sources say

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Post by ToValueFunfetti »

nozzlegear wrote: post #60
ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just read this interview[1] the other day that contends that the blue collar workers, or at least their union leaders, are thrilled about the data center boom. There are loads of these projects underway and they show no sign of stopping, so the fact that it's only work for a few years per building hardly matters. Plus, the pay is great because the projects have to fight each other for labor. It also says that localit…

This is a very long interview, and I really don't think it's as rosy for AI as you're painting it. Jasmine makes it clear throughout that people are very concerned about data centers in their areas, and AI in general. From the comments on that post, Rachel says: > With all due respect to Nate and Jasmine I think they are overthinking why people hate data centers - it’s a fairly direct answer. People hate data centers…

I read that comment as well at the time and was taken aback. After such a lengthy discussion where Jasmine went and talked to the people doing the disagreeing over multiple weeks and reported her findings, Rachel replies that no, this is wrong, her presumably pre-existing belief is correct, and she cites nothing at all in support of this. Due respect seemed lacking despite claims to the contrary.

Likewise, I am taken aback that you, having apparently read this lengthy interview to find it in disagreement with my summary, elected instead to quote Rachel's unsupported comment dismissing the whole thing. Why not just quote the journalist disagreeing with me instead of some rando disagreeing with her? Does Rachel have a reputation that I'm unaware of?

Re: Anthropic IPO filing will show AI backlash as a risk factor, sources say

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Post by [deleted] »

ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #66
nozzlegear wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very long interview, and I really don't think it's as rosy for AI as you're painting it. Jasmine makes it clear throughout that people are very concerned about data centers in their areas, and AI in general. From the comments on that post, Rachel says: > With all due respect to Nate and Jasmine I think they are overthinking why people hate data centers - it’s a fairly direct answer. People hate data centers…

I read that comment as well at the time and was taken aback. After such a lengthy discussion where Jasmine went and talked to the people doing the disagreeing over multiple weeks and reported her findings, Rachel replies that no, this is wrong, her presumably pre-existing belief is correct, and she cites nothing at all in support of this. Due respect seemed lacking despite claims to the contrary. Likewise, I am taken…

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Re: Anthropic IPO filing will show AI backlash as a risk factor, sources say

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Post by csallen »

dofm wrote: post #22
jmalicki wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber and Airbnb both had similar risks in their S1s, for obvious reasons.

I was thinking maybe Uber but I was not sure it could have been that bad. They would have had states pushing back but against a very popular product with users. But Airbnb, good point: they would have talked about the risks of states curtailing their businesses. It’s still a very unusual level of hatred, I would say.

I think phones were similarly hated, but diluted over a ~15 year period as they were gradually introduced to society. AI is happening much faster, practically all at once.

And I think the extent of the hatred in part is also due to how widespread it is, not just how fast it's spread. It's everywhere. If you watch YouTube, you're hearing people narrating scripts read by AI. Social media posts are written with AI. Students are cheating with AI. AI is threatening to take jobs from knowledge workers. AI is copying the work of artists and creators. Etc. There's almost nothing it doesn't touch.

(I'm not talking here about why it's hated or whether it should be hated. More just commenting on the remarkability of how widely it's disliked.)

Re: Anthropic IPO filing will show AI backlash as a risk factor, sources say

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Post by newsomix9xl »

csallen wrote: post #68
dofm wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking maybe Uber but I was not sure it could have been that bad. They would have had states pushing back but against a very popular product with users. But Airbnb, good point: they would have talked about the risks of states curtailing their businesses. It’s still a very unusual level of hatred, I would say.

I think phones were similarly hated, but diluted over a ~15 year period as they were gradually introduced to society. AI is happening much faster, practically all at once. And I think the extent of the hatred in part is also due to how widespread it is, not just how fast it's spread. It's everywhere. If you watch YouTube, you're hearing people narrating scripts read by AI. Social media posts are written with AI. Stud…

Its not just pervasiveness, but how it's characterized. "AI data centers are raising electricity rates." or "AI pivot is the reason for 10% layoffs". It's rare that you read "AI cures cancer" or "AI reducing inflation" or "AI raising standard of living for blue collar workers".

The relentless drum beat on AI news is negative even when there is zero - literally zero - evidence around the speculation. To wit: AI will destroy all of humanity, or the related "AI will become sentient and lead to threat to human civ" etc. This is pure negative science fiction (related to Musk's AI will create a utopia in which everything will be free).

Re: Anthropic IPO filing will show AI backlash as a risk factor, sources say

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Post by newsomix9xl »

cavem0nkey wrote: post #27
dofm wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking maybe Uber but I was not sure it could have been that bad. They would have had states pushing back but against a very popular product with users. But Airbnb, good point: they would have talked about the risks of states curtailing their businesses. It’s still a very unusual level of hatred, I would say.

I think there’s a genuinely huge divisive opinion on AI companies. We don’t see this due to our particular industry echo chambers but really the majority of society has bigger problems and this offers them no solutions and threatens to take their lifelines away. Divisive technology leads to hate. Flock as well which is an us and them. Same mindset. We are not as popular as we think we are. I know which side of the fe…

Well said.

The divisiveness is not inherent in the technology. Other forces are driving divisiveness around issues: AI seems to simply be caught up in that trend.

I say "AI IS OK!"

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