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Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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This HHHH strategy phrase is made up by these lawyers. It's not like the Microsoft version their mimicking where Microsoft actually said it. It makes the headline misleading like it alleges they said it internally as their strategy.

>Microsoft actually said it Not quite https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49400754

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Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its the same way "embrace, extend, and extinguish" was coined. "Embrace and extend", without extinguish/exterminate, was used in Microsoft corp docs that were handed to the DOJ during the famous antitrust case, but it was the DOJ that turned it into EEE after realizing what "embrace and extend" actually meant in the broader context of Microsoft's machinations. The DOJ's clever hook won them the case.

This is false. They explicitly used extinguish in their internal doctrine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

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Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

#153
post #91
post #23

This HHHH strategy phrase is made up by these lawyers. It's not like the Microsoft version their mimicking where Microsoft actually said it. It makes the headline misleading like it alleges they said it internally as their strategy.

>Microsoft actually said it Not quite https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49400754

"McGeady testified that Maritz told Intel that Microsoft’s strategy was to “embrace, extend, extinguish.” McGeady, 11/9/98pm, at 53:17 - 54:8; McGeady, 11/10/98 am, at 21:22 - 23:19; GX 564."

Was this testimony false?

Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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post #107

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> If WhatsApp went down without a long transition process first The transition mechanism is that your contacts are in your phone address book, and you can call or text them or find them on other platforms indexed by phone number. Although, not for username contacts. Would it be disruptive? Yes. Would it be world ending? No.

That is all well and good for individuals chatting with family, friends or small groups. But alot of small businesses all over the world are using WhatsApp for Business with features and data storage that cannot be immediately moved to another platform. If it disappeared tomorrow, you would see business failures and immediate economic impact in developing-world regions that can hardly afford such a hit.

That is something that should concern those countries. It means their economies are extremely vulnerable to even light US sanctions.

Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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Only out of convenience. There are many alternatives, and search engines will find them. And (although it won't happen) if Facebook were ordered to shut down, hundreds of entrepreneurs would offer alternatives for "small business web presence"

So millions of small business owners would have to pay for something they get now for free

There are plenty of cheap and better alternatives.

Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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So millions of small business owners would have to pay for something they get now for free

And just like they found Facebook they can, and will, find something else. And maybe they learn something about trust in that type of service the next time around.

Maybe they have no interest in finding something else. Maybe they aren't interested in your opinion and don't see you as someone they are want to learn lessons from.

Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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So millions of small business owners would have to pay for something they get now for free

There are plenty of cheap and better alternatives.

And those business owners are free to choose those alternatives at any time they please. You are not free to make that choice for them.

Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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In the opening sentence: > according to a lawyer who is prosecuting the world’s largest social media company. The headline makes it sound like something internal at Meta got revealed. The catchy four-H phrase is the clever hook the lawyer came up with to try to hold the jury’s mind through the case. If you’re unfamiliar with how these trials work, the lawyers are trying to create a compelling narrative to support the…

"If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit!"

*dont

Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only out of convenience. There are many alternatives, and search engines will find them. And (although it won't happen) if Facebook were ordered to shut down, hundreds of entrepreneurs would offer alternatives for "small business web presence"

So millions of small business owners would have to pay for something they get now for free

And? This is the same argument the south made while supporting slavery. I’m not saying the two are equally bad, but this is just simply not a valid argument if you ignore the surrounding context.
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