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Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Post by metabagel »

atmavatar wrote: post #501
josefritzishere wrote: post #344

At some point , looking at all the damage, it becomes hard to dismiss Trump as merely unintelligent and incapable. The other possibility is that the destruction deliberate, and the goal to end US hegemony. Would things proceed any differently if it were?

Much of the self-destruction flowed from the pages of Project 2025. You can't just blame Trump: you have to include the Heritage Foundation and the entire Republican party. This is not a problem that goes away when Trump ultimately leaves office.

Absolutely, Trump is a symptom of the problem. The root of the problem is the moral rot of the Republican Party.

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Post by Fordec »

sbarre wrote: post #230
Aboutplants wrote: post #120

I’m interested to see if this spurs other countries to push back on this administration. Once you get a couple of countries to collectively stand firm is when things take a turn. Bullies can only push for so long

I suspect that instead of treating the US as a bully, and pushing back, we are treating the US as a troll, and just looking away instead. We'll go trade with other countries and stop giving the troll the attention it craves.

The Grey Rock Method, but at the nation state level.

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Post by xyzelement »

iand wrote: post #516
xyzelement wrote: post #172

I have not been following the Canada thing but generally have been learning more about trade and Trump's approach seems less chaotic and random than is talked about. US's largest trading partner is Mexico. The biggest thing we import from them is automobiles & auto-parts and the second largest is computers and electronics. We all understand the benefits of trade is meant to bring in - such as goods manufactured by co…

But this was the neoliberal globalist agenda for the past thirty years. Lower trade barriers, export manufacturing to low wage workers with poorer conditions. The result is lower automobile costs for American consumers at the expense of blue collar jobs evaporating.

There's a gap there. The reason automaking is expensive in the US is labor and environmental laws whose intent is to keep Americans employed at high wage and to keep the planet green.

So on one hand it's government regulation that makes us not compative. On the other hand the government doesn't ensure this happens by making it easy to bypass via mexico. So the end result is the environmental protections don't kick in and Americans don't make the high (or any) wages.

So we either drop those laws and open up trade, or we keep those laws and make it harder to bypass. Those are the two non-dumb options.

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Post by tw04 »

fidotron wrote: post #266
tw04 wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I’ve said from the beginning, just ask yourself: what would Putin want? Every baffling, self destructive move Trump makes, basically always aligns to a long stated goal of Russia.

Putin wanted Trump to decapitate the Iranian regime? Let's be serious, that has nothing to do with the Canadian situation, which has more than enough going on without needing to imagine things. Edit to add: the extent to which many of you will apparently blame anything and everything on Putin is extraordinary. Just because the sun shines on Putin as well does not mean he made it do so.

Yes? The US is currently running out of oil. The strategic reserve has been drawn so low it is in danger of failing. The US economy is being propped up by an AI bubble, and the folks currently in charge of Iran are even more tied to Russia than the previous regime. And oh, by the way, when the US can’t draw down from the reserve any longer they’ll be forced to ease sanctions on Russian oil.

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Post by xdennis »

Tepix wrote: post #73
eru wrote: post #66

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No, not good for Canada. Free trade is optimal, even if its unilateral. The EU should abolish their tariffs and let the clowns in the US do whatever they feel like.

Nope, the EU should use the trade bazooka against the US.

The trade bazooka was an empty threat. This is somewhat similar to the trillion dollar coin[1]. It's a tool used for negotiations, not a real thing. If the trade bazooka was real, wasn't this the best opportunity to use it? What else could it be saved for?

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion-dollar_coin

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Post by metabagel »

guessbest wrote: post #546
rhyperior wrote: post #497

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Are you not loyal and patriotic if you see your government is bad for the people and you support opposition to it? US citizen here. Fight back against my government, please, even when the current admin is replaced with another more benign one.

> fight back against my government, please I don't understand what you mean by this? Fight back against what? Protective tariffs?

Trump doesn't have the legal authority nor the mandate to enact arbitrary tariffs. His previous attempt ended with the Supreme Court declaring his tariffs illegal. This was the President of the U.S. willfully breaking the law, and he's doing it again. The law is not meant to be stretched into whatever shape Trump wants.

And Trump has given no thought to his tariffs. There is no analysis underlying it. It's just him acting out like a child and trying to get some kind of "win" that he can sell as a personal triumph.

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Post by metabagel »

guessbest wrote: post #546
rhyperior wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you not loyal and patriotic if you see your government is bad for the people and you support opposition to it? US citizen here. Fight back against my government, please, even when the current admin is replaced with another more benign one.

> fight back against my government, please I don't understand what you mean by this? Fight back against what? Protective tariffs?

Tariffs in and of themselves might make sense, but the process has been arbitrary and illegal. There needs to be some sort of a plan to these things, and there is no apparent plan here.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

cudgy wrote: post #535
benjiro29 wrote: post #523

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*Nobody is willing to help with Iran even on symbolic level* Most people do not realize how much of a shift that is. In the past there was always a ton of EU countries helping the US out, in whatever crap the US started. And a lot of European soldiers died. Those soldiers did not help Europe but the US, because of being allies. Even when some European countries got called names for not helping in Iraq because they ca…

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Better to spend those resources decarbonizing to avoid the need for the Middle East. Long-term energy security over never-ending conflicts.

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Post by jlos »

THX1137 wrote: post #468
FpUser wrote: post #414

Canada should grow their population to 100-150 millions. this way it will have decent internal market and be more attractive to make trade deal with the rest of the world. Instead it relies on the US which appears to be very bad idea.

That's my view. The "Century Initiative" is being criticized for suggesting that Canada should reach 100 million by 2100. But you'd never believe it, the criticism is that this is too many people, and not many people criticise this "Iniative" as having an unambitious goal.

The criticism of the Century Initiative is that the extra 60-80 million are going to come largely from countries like India at rates that destablize Canada while further entrenching the kind of inequality that we've seen grow over the past 15 years.

The British did this to almost 20 different colonies, with the same people groups for the same reasons.

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