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Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Claude not only writes verbose comments, it also writes comments about how things used to work when refactoring. That might have a place in version control comments, but not in the code.

This speaks to the general problem with using LLMs for writing. The audience they are writing for us you, but you're trying to write for a totally different audience. In code, this manifests as comments in the code that are hyperspecific to the conversation you are having, and not the long term benefit of having those comments in the code. I see this in docs a lot. I've been reading a lot of docs these days where it…

It reminds me of something I've always wanted as a coder but never cared enough to implement, which would be a verbosity switch.

I see the full multi-paragraph comments in my codebases and get annoyed but also feel like the additional context helps improve the llm results over time because that history helps it know what's been tried and removed in the past. It's additional context for the system that improves with context.

The feature I want in the code tool itself (for me) is to adjust how verbose the comments are so I can read "just code", then "terse comments" then "full comments" then "full comments with historical context" (including fit commits and ticket references) and finally, full-on literate programming. And I'd like to switch between on the fly as I read through the code.

I think this is something we could actually produce with llms, and I feel the ability to switch between these modes would help the llm as well.

Sometimes I just need to see what's being done. Sometimes I need to know why. Sometimes I need to know what's been tried. Never always all of these things. And expecting to find this context in git comments doesn't feel right either.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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You're looking for Poteto's /unslop which cleans up sloppy AI writing. Someone made a Claude version of her skills: https://github.com/michael-denyer/pstack-claude

The readme is filled with slop. Bad sign…

Jesus christ, the lack of self awareness is all so depressing. These Sisyphuses have doomed themselves to making NDFSMs deterministic.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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post #114
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude not only writes verbose comments, it also writes comments about how things used to work when refactoring. That might have a place in version control comments, but not in the code.

This speaks to the general problem with using LLMs for writing. The audience they are writing for us you, but you're trying to write for a totally different audience. In code, this manifests as comments in the code that are hyperspecific to the conversation you are having, and not the long term benefit of having those comments in the code. I see this in docs a lot. I've been reading a lot of docs these days where it…

Despite all of this though, GPT 5.6 Sol to me has significantly less trouble with this. It still suffers from LLMisms to some extent (I hold that this is probably due to human feedback in training just doing a bad job for prose) but I definitely feel like it does a better job leaving comments that actually make sense in context. Not perfect. But better.

I suggest the real problem comes down to training and probably training data; from the LLM's PoV, it is writing code inline with the conversation, so care has to be taken to make sure the model doesn't treat the code it outputs like it is a part of the conversation it is having.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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The readme is filled with slop. Bad sign…

Jesus christ, the lack of self awareness is all so depressing. These Sisyphuses have doomed themselves to making NDFSMs deterministic.

brain have thought -> brain tell claude -> claude make shiny thing -> ooh shiny -> show fellow monkeys, look, I have shiny!

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Simply untrue. You think everyone is complaining about this because the ones complaining are the only people commenting. The vast majority of people using Claude don't really care or even notice this one way or another. Sure among those who are irritated by it, it's good to have some ways to mitigate it, but I highly doubt Anthropic is going to devote much resources to an issue that affects a vocal minority.

Customers of a language model don’t care or notice about the quality of the language produced by the model? And your reasoning to get to this conclusion? Obscured like Claude’s thinking traces?

Users who are unhappy with some idiosyncrasies of a product tend to be significantly more vocal than users who are fine with it, and for any feature whatsoever there are going to be an unhappy group of people who vocally complain about it.

It's why time and time again you see people complaining on Internet forums about issues, and if you're part of a specific Internet bubble you might think that this complaining represents a general trend among the broader population and wonder how it is that no one is doing anything about this issue that you and the rest of your bubble are constantly complaining about... and the answer is mostly because the vast majority of people, who don't live in the same bubble you do, are mostly fine with how things work, but you're not going to hear them express it.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Has Anthropic said anything about how or why Claude writes the way it does? So many people hate it, seems like they need to do some damage control there. I haven't had the same problems others have but I'm also not a heavy user of it.

I do not have evidence or data that supports this. It is only my thought. Claude, since Opus 5, speaks more and more like a wannabe-thought-leader pontificating on social media for engagement. Everything is a bait-then-switch, or a multi-post story format. The "engagement" that works well for social media makes actual work extremely frustrating. My unsupported belief is that this is caused by an obnoxious number of p…

Unlikely. Much more likely is that Opus 5 was trained in an RL environment with subagents, and it learned to talk this way when reporting progress to the invoking agent.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Has Anthropic said anything about how or why Claude writes the way it does? So many people hate it, seems like they need to do some damage control there. I haven't had the same problems others have but I'm also not a heavy user of it.

It's easiest to explain this while anthropomorphizing the model, I know some folks here hate that, sorry about that. I heard an interesting diagnosis for why Claude does this: the output is a compressed version of its thought traces, very dense because the model is under pressure to use as few tokens as it can and to pack as much (for accuracy) of its concepts into the output. One of the reasons that "don't do X" typ…

In addition to positive reinforcement on the style I wanted for output, I tried your suggestion to tell Claude Fable to think Claudese in its thoughts, and that sadly got the session immediately flagged as too risky for Fable to handle, suggesting I downgrade to Opus. Several tweaks still consistently flagged it until I removed the directive about its thinking.

So I guess Anthropic wants zero mention of thoughts with Fable: they're worried about anything that remotely smells like distillation but only with Fable.

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