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Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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Post by Spooky23 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #85
Spooky23 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look around. The raging dumpster fire consuming everything was started by armies of stupid old people manipulated on platforms like Facebook. The kids will be ok. The revolution won’t be started by boomer dads.

There's just no conceivable legal case there. Manipulating "stupid old people" and causing them to believe bad things is First Amendment protected activity.

Sure there is, they are conspiring to break a variety of federal laws and continue to do so. I continue to get ads to join WhatsApp “investor groups” supposedly endorsed by Warren Buffet. I got one the other day that is run by Charlie Munger, who apparently rose from the dead to promote pump and dump schemes.

It’s inconceivable that Facebook doesn’t spot that sort of thing. They took a similar eyes off approach to the illegal foreign entity election manipulation.

Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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Post by SoftTalker »

rhyperior wrote: post #69
abirch wrote: post #53

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Buy a copy of Careless People to read between the tears.

Fascinating story. The author was hopelessly ignorant and guilty of facilitating, but the execs were so devoid of anything approaching ethics or morality. Explains a lot if true.

Unless you've been on the inside at the top levels of huge companies, you don't know about the sheer sociopathy of the people there. It's easy, even normal, to be naive as a regular employee, even one at a fairly high management level.

Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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Post by gruez »

miltonlost wrote: post #87
gruez wrote: post #71

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>> Internal chats within the company stated, “Oh good, we’re going after This might seem like the most damning quote, but if you read it again it's pretty clear it's someone who's objecting. In other words, not a twirly mustached executive saying "we're going after >> Even after determining internally that teen safety was a massive problem on its platforms, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg said, “teen time spent be our top g…

You misread that first quote in your defense of Meta. The twirly mustached exec is Zuck himself who wants to target 11 year olds. By having a person object to him, he's no longer evil???

>The twirly mustached exec is Zuck himself who wants to target 11 year olds. By having a person object to him, he's no longer evil???

That itself is hearsay, from someone who's apparently opposed to whatever Meta is doing. Taking that to mean Zuckerberg literally said "we should target 11 year olds" is a stretch.

Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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Post by Aurornis »

gtowey wrote: post #92
Aurornis wrote: post #58

In the opening sentence: > according to a lawyer who is prosecuting the world’s largest social media company. The headline makes it sound like something internal at Meta got revealed. The catchy four-H phrase is the clever hook the lawyer came up with to try to hold the jury’s mind through the case. If you’re unfamiliar with how these trials work, the lawyers are trying to create a compelling narrative to support the…

The antidote to that would be for Meta to reveal all their internal communications. But they'll never do that because their own words and actions are likely far more damning than any story the DOJ could weave. The trend I have noticed is anytime the actual truth leaks from these actors and companies, it's so much more evil than I could have imagined. Like the recent tell-all book from someone who worked directly with…

A key part of trials like this is the discovery process, which would surface a lot of the documents and emails that supposedly contain this information you’re talking about.

If the lawyers found it, they’d be using it. I think the takeaway from this is that they decided their own catchphrase was more compelling than any language they found in those documents.

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Post by SoftTalker »

blagie wrote: post #9

I think what's missing here is elderly. Arguably, that's even more harmful.

The elderly are grown adults who have a lifetime of experience and can be expected to see through the charade and spot what's really going on. Young people are more naive. I'm almost legally a senior citizen and I saw Facebook for what it was a long time ago, and most of the people I know who are my age don't use it, they don't even like social media in general. They use email or text messages, mostly. The people who have asked me why I don't have Insta are all in their 20s.

Yes, some elderly are disabled by mental decline or dementia, that's no different from a mental disability at any age.

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Post by ambicapter »

digitaltrees wrote: post #78
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #73

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> The DOJ's clever hook won them the case. Or, rather, the fact that Microsoft was blatantly illegally abusing their monopoly position to kill competitors.

Blatant complex behavior, no matter how illegal, won’t convince a judge or jury without clear rhetoric. So catch phrases are essential elements to conveying the truth about the behavior

[citation needed]

Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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Post by consensus1 »

mmahemoff wrote: post #67
Aurornis wrote: post #58

In the opening sentence: > according to a lawyer who is prosecuting the world’s largest social media company. The headline makes it sound like something internal at Meta got revealed. The catchy four-H phrase is the clever hook the lawyer came up with to try to hold the jury’s mind through the case. If you’re unfamiliar with how these trials work, the lawyers are trying to create a compelling narrative to support the…

I can see how the title is misleading, but I would have been shocked if it was internal Meta jargon. Execs at all the big tech companies nowadays have a culture of avoiding slogans that could be deemed overly aggressive. Even “Move fast and break things” was technocratted into “Move fast with stable infrastructure” after Meta went public.

“Move fast and break things” -> “Move fast with stable infrastructure”

Lawyers and bureaucrats are organizational cancer.

Re: Hook, hold, harvest and hide: Meta's alleged strategy laid out in first week

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Post by Aurornis »

digitaltrees wrote: post #88
tikimcfee wrote: post #31

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Dissolve the company. Jail the C levels. End of story. If this ends in another fine to put into a ledger book I'll scream. The fine ends up back in their pockets in months in the form of loans and grants and tax avoidances and so on. The world no longer needs Facebook and its leaders. It does not need its technology. It does not need the ideas of the people that are there. If you are still working there, you are comp…

America has a profound problem. It defines companies as legal persons with all the same rights. But it also applies the same restrictions and punishments as people without factoring in the underlying advantages a company has when breaking the law for profit. 1. Perpetual existence means breaking the law is a short term problem that is well worth the long term benefit — companies essentially live for ever and out live…

> America has a profound problem. It defines companies as legal persons with all the same rights.

Corporate personhood does not mean a company have all the same legal rights as a person. Did you notice that companies can’t vote in elections or plead the fifth amendment like a person can? Corporations only get some rights.

Corporate personhood is common across the globe. If you thought it was an American idea that’s completely incorrect. It is a funny example of the kind of American exceptionalism where people assume that America is an exception in having some property they dislike when in fact it’s common everywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

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Post by consensus1 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #110
MissTake wrote: post #103

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A myriad of small businesses also use Facebook as their public facing website.

Only out of convenience. There are many alternatives, and search engines will find them. And (although it won't happen) if Facebook were ordered to shut down, hundreds of entrepreneurs would offer alternatives for "small business web presence"

So millions of small business owners would have to pay for something they get now for free

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Post by consensus1 »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #28

I hope people can see Meta is funding the other side in order to get Child Safety laws passed so they can have an out when children use their parent's device and Meta spies on them. Child Safety laws are just mass surveillance in disguise which has always been Meta's game plan since day one.

So you want them to be held responsible when kids use their platform, but you don't want them to be able to prevent kids from using it?
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