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Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Post by Hilliard_Ohiooo »

Taek wrote: post #811
usern20260720 wrote: post #728

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The US is not a country governed by the rule of the law

I get that the political system could be better, but having been to places that actually are not governed by the rule of law, I can assure you that the US is doing quite well on that front. When there is actually no rule of law, consequences include: + entire regions / areas where merely visiting those areas invites a highly non-trivial (think, more than 10% chance) chance of being kidnapped or murdered + every neigh…

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Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Post by Hilliard_Ohiooo »

rmah wrote: post #911
Taek wrote: post #811

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I get that the political system could be better, but having been to places that actually are not governed by the rule of law, I can assure you that the US is doing quite well on that front. When there is actually no rule of law, consequences include: + entire regions / areas where merely visiting those areas invites a highly non-trivial (think, more than 10% chance) chance of being kidnapped or murdered + every neigh…

You will never convince those who think the US is a state of lawlessness that the US is (mostly) a lawful, free and prosperous place. They literally cannot comprehend what living in a corrupt and mostly lawless society is like. They've never experienced anything even remotely close to it. It's like someone who grew up in the tropics and complains that they're "freezing to death!" because it's 50F. Someone from the ar…

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Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Post by Supermancho »

spl757 wrote: post #779
usern20260720 wrote: post #728

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The US is not a country governed by the rule of the law

The US is currently governed by a dictator propped up by an oligarchy that can only do that because of the Citizens United supreme court decision. Until Citizens United is mitigated, and that appears to be starting to happen as states make laws that state you can't be on the ballot in their state if you take large, anonymous campaign donations from people who will want, and get, a return on their investment. Hawaii i…

Bribery and collusion existed well before Citizen's United, notably through shell PACs. Now there is a clear methodology that is less troublesome. Maybe behavior was amplified, but I doubt it.

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Post by spl757 »

mrcwinn wrote: post #826
spl757 wrote: post #779

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The US is currently governed by a dictator propped up by an oligarchy that can only do that because of the Citizens United supreme court decision. Until Citizens United is mitigated, and that appears to be starting to happen as states make laws that state you can't be on the ballot in their state if you take large, anonymous campaign donations from people who will want, and get, a return on their investment. Hawaii i…

An elected dictator with a nearing term limit. America continues to innovate!

One I belive has no intention of leaving office, and is trying to prevent the midterm elections from happening. Since the founding of the US, no elections have been delayed, or missed. Not once. Not during WWII, not after 9/11, never.

The failure that allowed trump to happen stems from one thing. Lack of imagination. The system in the US assumes that all of the politicians are at least attempting to argue in good faith. trump is more like a hurricane. he rolled in, fucked everthing up, and will roll out.

After November when the Democrat party has control of the upper and lower houses of congress, there are going to be investigations, grand jury indictments, and people will go to prison. They will also begin the work of closing some of the loopholes that were used to bypass how the government is supposed to operate.

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Post by spl757 »

inigyou wrote: post #833
spl757 wrote: post #779

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The US is currently governed by a dictator propped up by an oligarchy that can only do that because of the Citizens United supreme court decision. Until Citizens United is mitigated, and that appears to be starting to happen as states make laws that state you can't be on the ballot in their state if you take large, anonymous campaign donations from people who will want, and get, a return on their investment. Hawaii i…

Citizens United is a scapegoat here. The people genuinely want what they voted for.

Maybe you are right, and it's a scapegoat here. CU was and continues to be a disaster for this country, and I don't think enough attention can be brought to it until it is mitigated.

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Post by sofixa »

mrcwinn wrote: post #826
spl757 wrote: post #779

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is currently governed by a dictator propped up by an oligarchy that can only do that because of the Citizens United supreme court decision. Until Citizens United is mitigated, and that appears to be starting to happen as states make laws that state you can't be on the ballot in their state if you take large, anonymous campaign donations from people who will want, and get, a return on their investment. Hawaii i…

An elected dictator with a nearing term limit. America continues to innovate!

Putin also had a nearing term limit, but he found a transparent way around it.

He didn't have "Putin next election year" merch for it, so I guess you can say this is innovation.

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Post by sofixa »

avazhi wrote: post #785
blinky81 wrote: post #768

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This is a funny comment. What are you saying? The UN is one of the greatest achievements we've been able to do as a society. It's far from perfect. But would you rather live in a world without one?

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You really need to look into why the UN was created and what purpose it serves.

Because without a common forum for discussion, things would absolutely be worse.

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Post by [deleted] »

madaxe_again wrote: post #907
gottorf wrote: post #846

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> the UN as an entity, and to what it stands for What do you imagine the UN stands for? Let's not make the mistake of judging a program by its name or intention and not by its output. Mind you, this is the same UN on whose Human Rights Council sat such eminent proponents of human rights as Saudi Arabia, China, Russia, Afghanistan, and Cuba. Besides, the US historically funded about a third of the UN, out of 193 membe…

The UN stands for the UN charter - which the U.S. was a signatory of, of course - but from the 70’s onwards, US support for the UN waned to the point where we are today, where a withdrawal is not inconceivable. As to what specifically the U.S. has opposed… The Vienna convention. ICESCR. CEDAW. UNCLOS. Basel convention. Migrant workers convention. Convention on biodiversity. Convention on rights of the child (even Nor…

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Post by ImHereToVote »

tootie wrote: post #915
raluk wrote: post #726

From Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) accepted by the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1948 -------- Article 12 No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-de…

I mean we have the 4th amendment here too. But there are exceptions for border control that have been upheld in court.

Why?

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Post by Frieren »

shuwix wrote: post #782
usern20260720 wrote: post #728

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The US is not a country governed by the rule of the law

It's governed by the wicked version of Anglo-Saxxon law. In some cases it works much better than "criminal's have rights, victims doesn't" Continental law system in Europe. In other cases, it's insanity. In normal World, criminals have rights for any kind of defense. And that's good, because government have power to make anyone "criminal". Total breach of privacy by US government is a mirror to shitload of problems U…

> "criminal's have rights, victims doesn't"

Straw man argument. Everybody has rights in the EU, including people suspected of being criminals, and of course victims.

Arguing that in the EU victims have no rights is insulting for anyone reading your comment. That far-right view of the world is false and it is just trying to misinform and create hate.

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