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Re: Munder Difflin – Agent harness to run an office of your clones

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Post by StilesCrisis »

mcmcmc wrote: post #32
stavros wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, so what? It's whimsical and fun, and it's better if more things like this exist in the world than not.

They’re literally reusing IP from The Office. It’s clearly not parody, and they directly reference the show. It’s one thing for a joke project to do that. They are attempting to profit off someone else’s creative work. And not even in the roundabout way AI does.

Not even in a clever way. The bots don't actually seem to carry any personality traits; they're just ways to label and . I won't accept it as an Office parody if Dwight can work well with others.

Re: Munder Difflin – Agent harness to run an office of your clones

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Post by grey-area »

bedstefar wrote: post #28
deadbabe wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does everyone assume people in the past were idiots? They probably would have figured out what this was for after some critical thinking. Remember those people wrote massive complicated software by hand .

I didn't imply people in the past were idiots, but how on earth would anyone know what an _agent harness_ is, say?

It’s actually a funny oxymoron if you unpack it - agent implies autonomy and intelligence, harnesses are for unintelligent beasts of burden to control them.

So you’re right, it makes absolutely no sense and would be hard to decipher, but does perfectly capture the contradictions inherent in attempts to treat dumb LLM word generators as intelligent independent agents.

Re: Munder Difflin – Agent harness to run an office of your clones

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Post by joshstrange »

Ok, I've been running it for a couple hours and below are my thoughts. Please note that I do find it fascinating even if most of what I'm about to say is complaining about the parts I like less.

- Pipelines, not agents. Roles, not agents. I really don't like the idea of defined agents with their own prompt. I want to define roles and spin up N agents with that role. Furthermore I want pipelines "Plan -> Review Plan -> Approval Gate -> Develop -> Code Review + Fix loop -> QA -> Approval Gate -> Merge -> [Ship]". I don't like the work just bouncing around seemingly randomly

- Settings don't seem to save/persist? Or some of them don't. I couldn't let "Michael" spin up agents on "his" own and then randomly he did it even though the setting was still off. Settings has the normal LLM jank I've seen.

- macOS Notifications are broken, they send for any little reason, and then they don't send when you're actually needed. It's like each agent finishing a round causes a notification.

- Speaking of missing notifications, the _most important_ screen to me is the "Ask Me" tab under "Michael", where they ask questions (more on that later) but there is zero indication that anything is waiting for you. You have to dig into it yourself.

- The "Ask Me" tab is great.... when it works. I've had to unstick agents or answer questions they were waiting on answers for

- Trying to be too cute, it was cute for a minute, now I don't care (and I _love_ The Office). I want a more utilitarian view. I want to see questions, plans, be able to inject new ideas, and a small overview of what each agent is doing. I don't need half the screen taken up with a "game ui".

- Why no clear? I don't understand at all the idea of them keeping context. Maybe I'm missing something and I shouldn't be using persistent agents except for more persistent jobs (like Michael's?).

It's an interesting concept, very "Gas Town", and it make me want to write my own that does more of what I'm looking for but I don't have the time (or tokens) currently to take on another project. My current best approach of herdr+6-10 Claude Code sessions feels like it works better than this and keeps me close enough to the decisions I want to make.

Re: Munder Difflin – Agent harness to run an office of your clones

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Post by qup »

mcmcmc wrote: post #32
stavros wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, so what? It's whimsical and fun, and it's better if more things like this exist in the world than not.

They’re literally reusing IP from The Office. It’s clearly not parody, and they directly reference the show. It’s one thing for a joke project to do that. They are attempting to profit off someone else’s creative work. And not even in the roundabout way AI does.

Legally, I agree.

Morally, I think it's totally wild to care if some totally unrelated real world thing gets named after a twenty+ year old cultural icon of a TV show as an homage.

They're attempting to profit off their business. The office thing is a theme.

Re: Munder Difflin – Agent harness to run an office of your clones

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Post by ihaveajob »

aruggirello wrote: post #48
chaicodes wrote: post #18

Hey guys, thanks for putting it here, I am Chaitanya I built Munder Difflin, I am here to answer all your questions(except nylonstrung). For people who haven't tried it: Munder Difflin is a local multi-agent harness that wraps around your existing claude code and codex subscriptions(we literally support almost all harnesses/coding agents). Simulations are deterministic, they do not consume tokens, infact most of the…

I love it!!! But please, change that "GOD orchestrator" label, as a believer, I find it profane and offensive.

Is that satire?

Re: Munder Difflin – Agent harness to run an office of your clones

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Post by ihaveajob »

grey-area wrote: post #62
bedstefar wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't imply people in the past were idiots, but how on earth would anyone know what an _agent harness_ is, say?

It’s actually a funny oxymoron if you unpack it - agent implies autonomy and intelligence, harnesses are for unintelligent beasts of burden to control them. So you’re right, it makes absolutely no sense and would be hard to decipher, but does perfectly capture the contradictions inherent in attempts to treat dumb LLM word generators as intelligent independent agents.

I don't think it's an oxymoron at all. An expert climber still uses a harness for safety, even though they won't (typically) try to jump off the wall.

Re: Munder Difflin – Agent harness to run an office of your clones

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Post by mcmcmc »

qup wrote: post #64
mcmcmc wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re literally reusing IP from The Office. It’s clearly not parody, and they directly reference the show. It’s one thing for a joke project to do that. They are attempting to profit off someone else’s creative work. And not even in the roundabout way AI does.

Legally, I agree. Morally, I think it's totally wild to care if some totally unrelated real world thing gets named after a twenty+ year old cultural icon of a TV show as an homage. They're attempting to profit off their business. The office thing is a theme.

I can’t imagine having so little empathy that you can’t put yourself in the shoes of the creator of the IP. They didn’t even bother to tweak the characters. It’s not “inspired by” or riffing on a theme, it’s a straight ripoff being used to market some AI product. Do you think anyone who created The Office would want to be associated with AI, something that’s threatening to drive them out of a job?

What pisses me off the most is it’s just so damn lazy.

Re: Munder Difflin – Agent harness to run an office of your clones

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Post by chanux »

trentor wrote: post #57
chanux wrote: post #17

Is it just me or do AI made websites tend to be too verbose?

And yet seeing the exact same comment repeated over and over in every thread with an ai generated website is even more verbose. I find it even worse at least the website can contain new information.

Please pardon. I have seen people complaining that copy being written with an LLM but did not see any mention of verbosity.

Re: Munder Difflin – Agent harness to run an office of your clones

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Post by grey-area »

ihaveajob wrote: post #67
grey-area wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s actually a funny oxymoron if you unpack it - agent implies autonomy and intelligence, harnesses are for unintelligent beasts of burden to control them. So you’re right, it makes absolutely no sense and would be hard to decipher, but does perfectly capture the contradictions inherent in attempts to treat dumb LLM word generators as intelligent independent agents.

I don't think it's an oxymoron at all. An expert climber still uses a harness for safety, even though they won't (typically) try to jump off the wall.

They would 1 times out of 10 if they were an LLM. Then say sorry, you’re absolutely right I shouldn’t have jumped off the cliff.
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