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The knowledge AI has is vast. Communicating it to you is slow and narrow baud. The chat interface itself as a medium is lacking and will need to be replaced without another medium.
You can have the AI create pedagogical web apps and quizzes for you on the fly
AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study
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Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study
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It's not so clear that AI is an amplifier.. The paper has some fascinating analysis on this topic: "At the other end of the distribution, AI students who spend more than 65 minutes on their homework receive homework and exam scores similar to those of non-AI students, suggesting that these students do not use generative AI for homework assignments. However, this group consists entirely of students who adopted generat…
I'm curious what happened in the source, that a copy/paste exposed such odd artifacts. "e§ort" == effort "Öve" == not sure. Maybe "over five"?
Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study
#363The kids who used AI and studied for a similar amount of time as the non-AI high performers apparently had similar (slightly higher) performance. The kids who used AI and did poorly used the AI to do the homework for them (this is what the article says). I believe AI is basically an amplifier of bad and good. I’m cynical about the world and assume it will be used more for bad than good, but I don’t doubt some of the…
This is kind of damning, isn't it? "Similar or slightly higher" for spending the _same time_ means it's not, in fact, helping. At the same time as being extremely damaging to a significant number of students who, of course, use the AI to cheat. Because everything about it makes cheating easy.
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This is my thoughts as well! It makes smarter people smarter and dumb people dumber!
It helps smart people be barely more effective and helps dumb (more importantly, people who do not value effort, people who are lazy, people who are self absorbed) people shit out endless streams of worthless tokens that can swamp out everything. Raising the noise floor like this only makes it that much harder to find "Smart" people, which we were already doing terrible at. I use Claude every single day, but this is…
... including ultimately stuff needed to make the smart people.
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So your complaint is...it's boring? The point is to train the brain via repitition and iteration. If your goal is entertainment, I'm not sure what you are looking for.
It’s about having something engaging, not entertaining. As someone with ADHD, the difference between a homework that feels engaging and interesting and one that is a waste of time is massive. I wish I had learned the distinction and got my diagnostic when I was young, but I now see it clearly as I take courses as an adult.
I actually did very well with my homework. I got into every university I applied to.
I figured out how to deal with the boredom. But most of my friends couldn't.
Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study
#366Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study
#367All AI did here is exposed an old problem in education. Kids are expected to get everything perfectly for the first time but a lot of them don't so the class gets easier next year to keep up pass rates. We need to restructure the system to treat failure as a signal instead of a disaster. Grades should come from hard randomized exams with unlimited retakes so one bad day won't hurt you. Homework should be optional mat…
Unlimited retakes would be an enormous amount of work for professors/TAs/teachers. Optional homework is often a disaster. At best, students would do it right before an exam and the goal of education is not to just pass exams. They’d probably still get a lower score than if they did the homework when they were supposed to. What I think is better is to have a due date, but just make the maximum 10% each day it is late.…
My view is this: a student can turn in an incomplete assignment. Work they completed get evaluated and graded. Anything not completed gets zero credit. Homework should be an investment in effort over time anyway. Unfortunately, procrastination is a deeply rooted problem that usually kills this.
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People who think they are smart often think they can get by in any domain without knowledge and context, but at a certain point this fails and knowledge is required, not just intelligence.
Pretty much this. With the internet and my websearch-fu, I can find some facts on a lots of things. And while I do for some questions I have, I try to never interject answers when I don’t have a modicum of mastery in the domain. Mastery is the formation of an internal model that guide your actions and thinking. It’s not merely knowledge and intelligence.
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People who think they are smart often think they can get by in any domain without knowledge and context, but at a certain point this fails and knowledge is required, not just intelligence.
We're talking about learning here, i.e., building that knowledge and context. People also refer to more than one source, and I think you overstate the degree to which LLMs make mistakes in current year. Human teachers also make mistakes, and it's typical for a bright student who's paying attention to correct even small details.
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I'm curious what happened in the source, that a copy/paste exposed such odd artifacts. "e§ort" == effort "Öve" == not sure. Maybe "over five"?
I wondered the same. ff and fi are common ligature letter pairs, maybe the original is in an encoding where those are represented with separate characters, which then correspond to § and Ö in whatever encoding we find here?